LISTEN UP ALL YOU GUYS THAT VOTE(YOU SHOULD)

Lokedogg

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I've read over and over how we in the states are getting fucked by the government. How we aren't allowed as adults to do with ourselves as we will.
Over and over how are rights are perpetually stomped on and how pissed we all are.

There is a piece of paper that sums up what The United States of America is founded on: Personal Liberty and Freedom from a tyrannical government!
It's called the United States of America Constitution.

All but a few people in government want to wipe their ass on it and treat it like it was nothing. But there was a lot of people who gave up their lives and died so it could come into existence.

There is only ONE CANDIDATE who wants to strictly adhere to it: RON PAUL!

You guys can blow this off and act like it doesn't matter or you don't care. But this election will determine what freedoms we will lose for a long long while. Many (due to the patriot act- none but Ron Paul is apposing the which was rushed through and not read by any before it was passed.. and is getting extended) will be gone forever.

The main reason I see why some don't want to vote for him(of ANY substance) is :

Foreign policy; The don't want to bring the troops home.

Abortion: They feel he is pro-life so they will lose right over their body.

The response on foreign policy: WE can NOT afford to police the world!!! It is a fact!!! All it is doing is bankrupting the U.S. while we fall apart at home. It is just a fact. Factory after factory is closing while imports from china keep rising.

Abortion: If you can get over the fact that Ron Paul says it is "A state issue" NOT A FEDERAL mandated issue. The federal government has no right to approve or deny it! THAT shouldn't even be a problem to womens choice people!

The argument many "womens' choice advocate use holds no validity when they/you don't have a right (under the current state of affairs) to do what you want with ANY other aspect of your life!

Speak of having choice while , you can't smoke a joint, can't drive without a seatbelt, pay taxes on taxes upon taxes out the ass, can get your door beat down without a warrant by the feds, have your phone tapped with no warrant, your email accounts read, your books flagged, and you can't even pay the bills because your job was just shipped overseas, you or your son or daughter gets drafted to possibly die in some shithole country nobody cares about, you can't use a hormone, your health supplements become by prescription, and there is no way for those who want to get an abortion to afford it because they are flat fucking broke! No, currently YOU ARE OWNED by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!


While these presidential candidate hopefuls stand on stage and talk about nothing for hours "Change change CHANGE"... with Reporters/new media spewing nonsense about who fucked who or owns what, ONE PERSON AND ONE PERSON ONLY IS TALKING ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES AND REMEDIES!!!
His message and the man himself is being blacklisted so you won't even hear about the issues!!!!!

IF nothing else , shouldn't you question WHY? Why is it they don't want him to be heard? Why do the want to cover up what he says, give him no air time and when they do just a blip?
Don't you feel like if the news media can and IS doing this to Ron Paul, what else might the be keeping from you??????
They want you to hear only certain things.
Think about the Lies you heard after 9/11. Many are coming out now!!!!

INVESTIGATE!!!! THE MORE YOU FIND OUT THE MORE PISSED YOU SHOULD BE~~!!!!

Think about this when you do or don't vote. If you miss this chance to change this shit with a man who does more than talk about change( read Ron Paul's 10 time elect voting record/consistency).



BTW:Take Sylvester Stallone backing Mcain: What a fool; He just had to deal with the backlash of his GH use. You know he loves the juice(meaning he wants to have personal choice over what he puts into his body).

Mcain is a powermonger warmaniac! Even if you are a warmonger yourself: How the hell are we going to keep paying for the war? What more shit do we have to give up here.
What are we "cutting and running from'?
WE busted down there door and found no WOMD's. Accomplished! We GOT SAddamn Hussien(and now we're safe :eek2: Mission accomplished! What the fuck are we running from?

Ron Paul is the ONLY answer because of one simple thing: The Constitution of the United States of America. We follow that and we have rights!!!
ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD THAT LIKE TO JUICE , IS A UNITED STATES CITIZEN AND DOESN'T VOTE FOR RON PAUL SHOULD REMEMBER THAT; HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO IS RUNNING SAYING IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO WITH YOUR BODY WHAT YOU WILL!!! NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!

VOTE RON PAUL
 
Lokedogg said:
HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO IS RUNNING SAYING IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO WITH YOUR BODY WHAT YOU WILL!!! NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!

VOTE RON PAUL
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So is it ok to strap a bomb to myself and blow it up in a crowd ???

Or have a baby ripped out of me at 6 months ????

How about taking PCP so I can freak out kill my kids because I see them as aliens ? ? ?

Just some thoughts on what COULD happen outside of the AAS debate.
 
Ms.Wetback said:
So is it ok to strap a bomb to myself and blow it up in a crowd ???

Or have a baby ripped out of me at 6 months ????

How about taking PCP so I can freak out kill my kids because I see them as aliens ? ? ?

Just some thoughts on what COULD happen outside of the AAS debate.
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WTF are you talking about?

How is strapping a bomb to yourself and blowing it up in public doing wtf you want with your own body?
Ron Paul/ he himself is against abortion and voted NO on partial birth abortion is endorsed by Jane Doe of Roe vs. Wade who now is pro-life.
Ron Paul is has been a OB/GYN for over 40 years delivering over 4000 babies and is a Christian(though he doesn't believe religion should be the foundation for election, nor does he shoot it in people's face as a means to get elected like a certain lying as Huckster).

How is killing your kids cause your a stark raving maniac doing what you will with your own body?

Outside of the AAS debate. You need to educate yourself on the man and not buy into media bullshit. I thought you were smarter than that!
 
REad this and come back and discuss:
This is all from:

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/

Click on the on: Abortion and Stem Cell Research

And you'll get these categories:

this page-

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=21

1. Life and Liberty Ron Paul 2008 Web site

2. Rights of Taxpayers is Missing Element in Stem Cell Debate Ron Paul Newsletter, June 25, 2007

3. Pro-Life Action Must Originate from Principle Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 4, 2003

4. No Federal Funding for Stem Cell Research Ron Paul Speech to Congress, May 24, 2005

5. The Partial Birth Abortion Ban Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 4, 2003

6. Pro-Life Politics? Ron Paul Newsletter, March 28, 2005

7. Federalizing Social Policy Ron Paul Newsletter, January 30, 2006

8. Respect for Life begins with Respect for the Constitutional Rule of Law Ron Paul Newsletter, April 30, 2001

9. Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2000 Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 5, 2000

13 other documents on Abortion and Stem Cell Research:

1. Dr. Paul Issues Statement in Support of State ‘Right to Life’ Amendments Ron Paul Press Release, December 27, 2007

2. Statement of Faith The Covenant News, July 21, 2007

3. Honoring Pope John Paul II- A Consistent Pro-life Figure Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 6, 2005

4. No Federal Funding for Abortion! Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 2, 2003

5. The Tragedy of Partial-Birth Abortion Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 24, 2002

6. Introduction of the "Human Cloning Prevention Act of 2001" Ron Paul Speech to Congress, December 13, 2001

7. Stem Cell Research and Human Cloning Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 31, 2001

8. Statement on the Unborn Victims of Violence Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 26, 2001

9. Limitation on Funds for Abortion, Family Planning, or Population Control Efforts Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 13, 2000

10. The Partial Birth Abortion and Judicial Limitation Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, February 16, 2000

11. Punishing accidents, ignoring murder Ron Paul Newsletter, September 20, 1999

12. Abortion and National Sovereignty: No Compromises Ron Paul Newsletter, January 26, 1998

13. Being Pro-Life Is Necessary to Defend Liberty Libertarians for Life, 1981
 
Here:

HON. RON PAUL OF TEXAS
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 4, 2003

Pro-Life Action Must Originate from Principle.

As an obstetrician who has delivered over 4000 children, I have long been concerned with the rights of unborn people. I believe this is the greatest moral issue of our time. The very best of the western intellectual tradition has understood the critical link between moral and political action. Each of these disciplines should strongly inform and support the other.

I have become increasingly concerned over the years that the pro-life movement I so strongly support is getting further off track, both politically and morally. I sponsored the original pro-life amendment, which used a constitutional approach to solve the crisis of federalization of abortion law by the courts. The pro-life movement was with me and had my full support and admiration.

Those who cherish unborn life have become frustrated by our inability to overturn or significantly curtail Roe v. Wade. Because of this, attempts were made to fight against abortion using political convenience rather than principle. There is nothing wrong per se with fighting winnable battles, but a danger exists when political pragmatism requires the pro-life movement to surrender important moral and political principles.

When we surrender constitutional principles, we do untold damage to the moral underpinnings on which our Constitution and entire system of government rest. Those underpinnings are the inalienable right to life, liberty, and property. Commenting upon the link between our most important rights, Thomas Jefferson said “The God which gave us life gave us at the same time liberty. The hands of force may destroy but can never divide these.”

M. Stanton Evans further explained the link between our form of government and the rights it protects when he wrote, “The genius of the Constitution is its division of powers-summed up in that clause reserving to the several states, or the people, all powers not expressly granted to the federal government."

Pro-lifers should be fiercely loyal to this system of federalism, because the very same Constitution that created the federal system also asserts the inalienable right to life. In this way, our constitutional system closely links federalism to the fundamental moral rights to life, liberty, and property. For our Founders it was no exaggeration to say federalism is the means by which life, as well as liberty and property, are protected in this nation. This is why the recent direction of the pro-life cause is so disturbing.

Pro-life forces have worked for the passage of bills that disregard the federal system, such as the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, the federal cloning ban, and the Child Custody Protection Act. Each of these bills rested on specious constitutional grounds and undermined the federalism our Founders recognized and intended as the greatest protection of our most precious rights.

Each of these bills transfers to the federal government powers constitutionally retained by the states, thus upsetting the separation and balance of powers that federalism was designed to guarantee. To undermine federalism is to indirectly surrender the very principle upon which the protection of our inalienable right to life depends.

The worst offender of federalism is the so-called Unborn Victims of Violence Act, which not only indirectly surrenders the pro-life principle but actually directly undercuts the right to life by granting a specific exemption to abortionists! This exemption essentially allows some to take life with the sanction of federal law. By supporting this legislation, pro-lifers are expressly condoning a legal exemption for abortionists- showing just how far astray some in the pro-life community have gone.

Even the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, which is an integral part of the current pro-life agenda, presents a dilemma. While I have always supported this Act and plan to do so in the future, I realize that it raises questions of federalism because authority over criminal law is constitutionally retained by the states. The only reason a federal law has any legitimacy in this area is that the Supreme Court took it upon itself to federalize abortion via Roe v. Wade. Accordingly, wrestling the abortion issue from the federal courts and putting it back in the hands of the elected legislature comports with the Founder's view of the separation of powers that protects our rights to life, liberty, and property.

Given these dilemmas, what should those of us in the pro-life community do? First, we must return to constitutional principles and proclaim them proudly. We must take a principled approach that recognizes both moral and political principles, and accepts the close relationship between them. Legislatively, we should focus our efforts on building support to overturn Roe v. Wade. Ideally this would be done in a fashion that allows states to again ban or regulate abortion. State legislatures have always had proper jurisdiction over issues like abortion and cloning; the pro-life movement should recognize that jurisdiction and not encroach upon it. The alternative is an outright federal ban on abortion, done properly via a constitutional amendment that does no violence to our way of government.

If the next version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban act reads like past versions in the House, I will likely support it despite the dilemmas outlined here. I cannot support, however, a bill like the proposed Senate version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that reaffirms Roe v. Wade.

For the pro-life cause to truly succeed without undermining the very freedoms that protect life, it must return to principle and uphold our Founder's vision of federalism as an essential component of the American system. Undermining federalism ultimately can only undermine the very mechanism that protects the right to life.
 
The War on Drugs:
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=23

categories;

War on Terror? It's as Bad as War on Drugs www.counterpunch.org, October 30, 2001

2. The War on Drugs is a War on Doctors Ron Paul Newsletter, May 17, 2004

3. The Federal War on Pain Relief Ron Paul Newsletter, April 19, 2004

4. Rush Limbaugh and the Sick Federal War on Pain Relief Ron Paul Speech to Congress, February 12, 2004

9 other documents on The War on Drugs:

1. Introduction of the Industrial Hemp Farming Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 22, 2005

2. The Federal Government Bully in State and Local Elections Ron Paul Newsletter, May 26, 2003

3. Unintended Consequences of the Drug War Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 28, 2002

4. No More Taxpayer Funds for the Failed Drug War in Colombia Ron Paul Speech to Congress, May 23, 2002

5. Minding Our Own Business Regarding Colombia is in the Best Interest of America Ron Paul Speech to Congress, September 6, 2000

6. Fiscal 2000 Supplemental Appropriations/DEA Funding Cuts Amendment Ron Paul Speech to Congress, March 30, 2000

7. 2000 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, March 29, 2000

8. Unnecessary Supplemental Appropriations and Unwise Military Adventurism in Colombia Ron Paul Speech to Congress, March 29, 2000

9. Inconsistency must be addressed Ron Paul Newsletter, September 14, 1998
 
Freedom and Personal Liberty:

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=7

"Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons."
Ron Paul, Texas Straight Talk, April 23, 2007

The most popular documents on Freedom and Personal Liberty:

1. Privacy and Personal Liberty Ron Paul 2008 Web site

2. Political Power and the Rule of Law Ron Paul Newsletter, February 5, 2007

3. What does Freedom Really Mean? Ron Paul Newsletter, February 7, 2005

4. Congress Unanimously Supports Paul Amendment to Protect Civil Liberties Ron Paul Press Release, July 22, 2005

5. Police State USA Ron Paul Newsletter, August 9, 2004

6. Freedom vs. Security: A False Choice Ron Paul Newsletter, May 31, 2004

7. Trust Us, We're the Government Ron Paul Newsletter, August 25, 2003

8. Neo – CONNED! Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 10, 2003

91 other documents on Freedom and Personal Liberty:

1. Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, December 5, 2007

2. Congressman Paul Supports Moratorium on Internet Taxation Ron Paul Press Release, October 17, 2007

3. Statement Introducing the American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 Ron Paul Speech to Congress, October 15, 2007

4. Statement on Burma, H Con Res 200 Ron Paul Speech to Congress, October 2, 2007

5. The Fear Factor Ron Paul Newsletter, July 30, 2007

6. In the Name of Patriotism (Who are the Patriots?) Ron Paul Speech to Congress, May 22, 2007

7. Unconstitutional Legislation Threatens Freedoms Ron Paul Newsletter, May 7, 2007

8. Introducing the Health Freedom Protection Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, May 2, 2007

9. Security and Liberty Ron Paul Newsletter, April 23, 2007

10. IRS Threatens Political Speech Ron Paul Newsletter, July 24, 2006

11. Policy is More Important than Personnel Ron Paul Newsletter, April 24, 2006

12. Free Speech and Dietary Supplements Ron Paul Speech to Congress, November 10, 2005

13. The Patriot Act Four Years Later Ron Paul Newsletter, July 25, 2005

14. Don't Reauthorize the Patriot Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 21, 2005

15. Federal Funding for Mental Health Screening of Kids Ron Paul Newsletter, June 27, 2005

16. Reconsidering the Patriot Act Ron Paul Newsletter, May 2, 2005

17. Dietary Supplements and Health Freedom Ron Paul Newsletter, April 25, 2005

18. Don't Let Congress Fund Orwellian Psychiatric Screening of Kids Ron Paul Newsletter, January 31, 2005

19. It Can't Happen Here Ron Paul Newsletter, December 20, 2004

20. The Electoral College vs. Mob Rule Ron Paul Newsletter, November 1, 2004

21. Reject the National ID Card Ron Paul Newsletter, September 16, 2004

22. Independence from Washington Ron Paul Newsletter, July 5, 2004

23. Torture, War, and Presidential Powers Ron Paul Newsletter, June 14, 2004

24. Congressional Indecency Ron Paul Newsletter, March 15, 2004

25. An Indecent Attack on the First Amendment Ron Paul Speech to Congress, March 10, 2004

26. A Wise Consistency Ron Paul Speech to Congress, February 11, 2004

27. A Wise Consistency for Liberty Ron Paul Newsletter, February 16, 2003

28. Christmas in Secular America Ron Paul Newsletter, December 29, 2003

29. "Campaign Finance Reform” Muzzles Political Dissent Ron Paul Newsletter, December 22, 2003

30. Federal Courts and the Imaginary Constitution Ron Paul Newsletter, August 11, 2003

31. Independence from England, Dependence on Washington? Ron Paul Newsletter, July 7, 2003

32. The First Amendment Protects Religious Speech Ron Paul Speech to Congress, April 2, 2003

33. Government Vaccines- Bad Policy, Bad Medicine Ron Paul Newsletter, December 9, 2002

34. Homeland Security is the Largest Federal Expansion in 50 Years Ron Paul Newsletter, November 25, 2002

35. The Homeland Security Monstrosity Ron Paul Newsletter, Noember 18, 2002

36. Introduction of the Television Consumer Freedom Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, October 2, 2002

37. The Homeland Security Non-Debate Ron Paul Newsletter, July 29, 2002

38. Monitor Thy Neighbor Ron Paul Newsletter, July 22, 2002

39. What Does the First Amendment Really Mean? Ron Paul Newsletter, July 1, 2002

40. Restoring First Amendment Protections of Religion and Religious Speech Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 13, 2002

41. Statement on new Internet Regulations and Expanded... Ron Paul Speech to Congress, May 21, 2002

42. Predictions for an Unwritten Future Ron Paul Newsletter, April 29, 2002

43. Optimism or Pessimism for the Future of Liberty? Ron Paul Newsletter, February 11, 2002

44. Terrorism and the Expansion of Federal Power Ron Paul Newsletter, December 10, 2001

45. Can Freedom be Exchanged for Security? Ron Paul Newsletter, November 26, 2001

46. Business as Usual in Washington? Ron Paul Newsletter, October 29, 2001

47. Legislation Needed to End the IRS Threat to Religious Freedom Ron Paul Newsletter, August 13, 2001

48. Religious Liberty Thwarted by the Supreme Court Ron Paul Newsletter, June 4, 2001

49. RS Church Seizure is a Tragedy for Religious Liberty Ron Paul Newsletter, February 26, 2001

50. Introduction of the The WAGE Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, February 14, 2001

51. The Blessings of Liberty at Christmas Ron Paul Newsletter, December 25, 2000

52. Activist Courts Threaten Our Liberty. The Judicial Coup Began Decades Ago Ron Paul Newsletter, December 4, 2000

53. The Conflict Between Collectivism and Liberty is Reflected in the Presidential Election Ron Paul Newsletter, November 27, 2000

54. Threats to Financial Freedom Ron Paul Speech to Congress, October 24, 2000

55. Scouting For All Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, September 12, 2000

56. Campbell/Bonior Amendment to Commerce, Justice, State and Judiciary Appropriations Act Ron Paul Speech to Congress, June 22, 2000

57. Child Support Distribution Act of 2000 Ron Paul Speech to Congress, September 7, 2000

58. The Disturbing Trend Toward Federal Police Ron Paul Newsletter, July 31, 2000

59. Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 2000 Ron Paul Speech to Congress, July 19, 2000

60. On Introduction of the Pharmaceutical Freedom Act of 2000 Ron Paul Speech to Congress, February 10, 2000

61. The Year Ahead. Looking towards the 2nd Session of the 106th Congress Ron Paul Newsletter, January 3, 2000

62. Overall Review. The First Session of the 106th Congress Ron Paul Newsletter, December 27, 1999

63. Cosponsored Bills. 106th Congress, 1st Session Ron Paul Newsletter, December 20, 1999

64. Taking the Next Step. Building on This Year's Victories Ron Paul Newsletter, November 29, 1999

65. This Year's Successes. Not so few as you might imagine Ron Paul Newsletter, November 22, 1999

66. The smoking gun. Waco revelations show true face of federal police Ron Paul Newsletter, September 6, 1999

67. A flood of bills of rights. Pols hide power-grab agendas behind images of liberty Ron Paul Newsletter, August 16, 1999

68. Restricting the Executive Orders Ron Paul Newsletter, August 2, 1999

69. A new declaration: more liberty, fewer taxes Ron Paul Newsletter, July 5, 1999

70. Let liberty ring loudly. All of Constitution, not just sections, must be defended Ron Paul Newsletter, June 21, 1999

71. Get to know your banker Ron Paul Newsletter, April 12, 1999

72. Victory should be call to action Ron Paul Newsletter, March 8, 1999

73. Orwellian rules face major opposition Ron Paul Newsletter, February 2, 1999

74. Free speech is good medicine Ron Paul Newsletter, December 7, 1998

75. Washington 'solutions' to voter frustration are dangerous Ron Paul Newsletter, August 3, 1998

76. Right to work must be free of coercion Ron Paul Newsletter, July 27, 1998

77. After 222 years liberty must still be our goal Ron Paul Newsletter, June 29, 1998

78. Campaign reform should encourage choice Ron Paul Newsletter, June 15, 1998

79. Asian economic crisis result of suppressed liberty Ron Paul Newsletter, May 25, 1998

80. Federalization of crime contrary to Constitution Ron Paul Newsletter, May 18, 1998

81. Liberty must be our goal Ron Paul Newsletter, May 4, 1998

82. Proposed tobacco deal undermines personal responsibility Ron Paul Newsletter, April 13, 1998

83. Security of the people's liberty at risk Ron Paul Newsletter, March 23, 1998

84. Never sacrifice liberty for "campaign reform" Ron Paul Newsletter, March 2, 1998

85. Fighting for liberty takes place in Washington and in the district Ron Paul Newsletter, February 23, 1998

86. Government prescription for health is bad medicine Ron Paul Newsletter, January 19, 1998

87. Emotion should never dictate policy Ron Paul Newsletter, January 12, 1998

88. 1998 is a new chance to change government for better Ron Paul Newsletter, January 5, 1998

89. Taxes and regulations will never lead to prosperity Ron Paul Newsletter, December 8, 1997

90. FDA bill was no reform Ron Paul Newsletter, October 13, 1997

91. Paul's legislation focuses on individual liberty
 
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO KNOW WHAT ANY OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE DONE NOR WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE! ALL OF RON PAUL'S IS RIGHT OUT IN THE OPEN IF YOU ACTUALLY CARE TO SEE FOR YOURSELF! 10 TERMS OF WHAT HE SAYS, IS AND BELIEVES!

NO BULLSHIT POLITICAL RHETORIC! NO SKATING AROUND THE ISSUES!!!
 
YOU sir...................... are a copy and pasting madman ! ! ! lol

I am educated on him, thoroughly, BUT you have to agree that the phrase "IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO WITH YOUR BODY WHAT YOU WILL!!! NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!" then also includes everything else I said.

It is my body ..... if someone wants to have a partial birth abortion it is their right as well.

Unfortunately the good and bad get lumped together.
 
Ms.Wetback said:
YOU sir...................... are a copy and pasting madman ! ! ! lol

I am educated on him, thoroughly, BUT you have to agree that the phrase "IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO WITH YOUR BODY WHAT YOU WILL!!! NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!" then also includes everything else I said.

It is my body ..... if someone wants to have a partial birth abortion it is their right as well.

Unfortunately the good and bad get lumped together.
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Going and blowing yourself up in taking others with you is NOT doing what you will to/with yourself!
No I disagree. Neither is killing your children cause your freaked out on a drug , because you want just want to or any other reason.

If a man is liable for 2 counts of murder by killing a woman 'with child' than it is also killing a child using partial birth abortion. So therefore does NOT fall under personal liberty/the right to do with YOURSELF as you wish.
Apple, oranges and interpretation....
 
Lokedogg said:
Neither is killing your children cause your freaked out on a drug , because you want just want to or any other reason.

If a man is liable for 2 counts of murder by killing a woman 'with child' than it is also killing a child using partial birth abortion. So therefore does NOT fall under personal liberty/the right to do with YOURSELF as you wish.
Apple, oranges and interpretation....
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Well Loke, remember it is my body and I can do as I choose, and if I CHOOSE to take drugs and happen to have a bad trip and ACCIDENTLY kill my kids ......... oh well, it is a sad outcome, but it is my body and sometimes things will happen when I do as I choose.

And sorry, but again, it is MY body and if I choose to have a partial birth abortion then that is my right. Read this:

"But, just last week, a story surfaced in the Boston Globe about how doctors are using lethal drugs to kill fetuses in the womb, so the baby is not alive when it's "delivered." Apparently, it's all legal. It allows doctors to circumvent the partial-birth abortion law, or at least the spirit of it, because the intent of the law is to prevent babies being aborted that would otherwise be able to live outside the womb. As the Boston Globe story points out the partial-birth law is written so broadly that the injection procedure sits within legal boundaries."

There are loopholes that allow it ............. mind you Loke I do NOT agree with it at all. My point is this "freedom" can get taken to extremes. So I would rather sacrifice AAS and save some lives through keeping this procedure illegal as well as the rest of the rec drugs out there.

Remember this:

"Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." [Romans 1:32]
 
Ms.Wetback said:
Well Loke, remember it is my body and I can do as I choose, and if I CHOOSE to take drugs and happen to have a bad trip and ACCIDENTLY kill my kids ......... oh well, it is a sad outcome, but it is my body and sometimes things will happen when I do as I choose.

And sorry, but again, it is MY body and if I choose to have a partial birth abortion then that is my right. Read this:

"But, just last week, a story surfaced in the Boston Globe about how doctors are using lethal drugs to kill fetuses in the womb, so the baby is not alive when it's "delivered." Apparently, it's all legal. It allows doctors to circumvent the partial-birth abortion law, or at least the spirit of it, because the intent of the law is to prevent babies being aborted that would otherwise be able to live outside the womb. As the Boston Globe story points out the partial-birth law is written so broadly that the injection procedure sits within legal boundaries."

There are loopholes that allow it ............. mind you Loke I do NOT agree with it at all. My point is this "freedom" can get taken to extremes. So I would rather sacrifice AAS and save some lives through keeping this procedure illegal as well as the rest of the rec drugs out there.

Remember this:

"Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." [Romans 1:32]
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I just don't get how you are using having personal liberty in the extreme of partial birth abortion?

You smoke? We know that causes birth defects!
Alcohol? Oh my god, My dad beat the fuck out of me with the legal substance; wrecked our cars, lost jobs, caused us to live in poverty...

The argument you present against personal liberty runs in line with, you don't drive because you don't wanna wreck.
You are arguing against freedom because it might be used for evil? Come on!

Personal liberty and killing your offspring having noting to do with another. YOu can try and make the connection to anything if you try hard enough.
 
I heard Ron Paul speak a number of times, on tv not in person, and I must say that I was impressed by the man's logical view of this country. IMO the man is very bright and has some good ideas. He's not a pawn of big business, so I doubt that he has much chance of getting elected or even nominated.
 
liftsiron said:
I heard Ron Paul speak a number of times, on tv not in person, and I must say that I was impressed by the man's logical view of this country. IMO the man is very bright and has some good ideas. He's not a pawn of big business, so I doubt that he has much chance of getting elected or even nominated.
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Yes and?... So you're not voting for him because you don't think he can win?

Why vote at all because your one vote won't do shit?
I have heard this from people locally and on the net.. each time I think - If all you people who like what he says voted for him , he would win!

I just don't get it? You make the situation by saying it and not doing anything to change it. You literally speak in into existence and apathetically allow it. I'm glad I don't have any of you guys backing me in a fight.. damn
 
Loke has been doing his research, I see.

Preach the revolution bro!!!!!!!

It would be great if everyone did a little research on what these candidates stood for.
 
liftsiron said:
I heard Ron Paul speak a number of times, on tv not in person, and I must say that I was impressed by the man's logical view of this country. IMO the man is very bright and has some good ideas. He's not a pawn of big business, so I doubt that he has much chance of getting elected or even nominated.
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I agree, he makes sense and has some great ideas. But like you said, he has no chance because he won't bow to big business.

At least if he was pulling some votes the other candidates might listen and adopt some of his ideas.
 
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Ms.Wetback said:
I agree, he makes sense and has some great ideas. But like you said, he has no chance because he
wont't bow to big business.

At least if he was pulling some votes the other candidates might listen and adopt some of his ideas.
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How about if the news media was actually giving him the free airtime and including him like all the others?

I seem to think as aware as you are of Ron Paul than you are also aware of the media blackout?
If so doesn't that bother you ? They have purposely excluded him every chance they gotten.

Can you imagine what his message would do if it could actually be heard outside of the net arena?

It's funny that the whole world is watching and commenting on the Ron Paul situation with the media blackout. Yet people in the United States glued to their tv's as the only source for information don't even realize it's happening.

Check this out:

http://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/

http://www.nolanchart.com/article330.html
 
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It doesn't take a genius to figure out why Dr Paul is the outcast. Take a look at who owns the major media that feeds the masses their daily pile of bullshit. Dr Paul wants a FOREIGN POLICY OF NON INTERVENTION, AND WANTS TO END OUR FOREIGN AID TO THE BIGGEST TIT SUCKER OF THEM ALL, ISREAL.
Once he said that, he was through, billions upon billions go to Isreal a year while americans( all americans suffer), and Dr Paul wants to end that garbage. I will vote for Dr Paul because I am sick and fucking tired of Isreal dictating our fucking policies.
 
Lokedogg said:
Yes and?... So you're not voting for him because you don't think he can win?

Why vote at all because your one vote won't do shit?
I have heard this from people locally and on the net.. each time I think - If all you people who like what he says voted for him , he would win!

I just don't get it? You make the situation by saying it and not doing anything to change it. You literally speak in into existence and apathetically allow it. I'm glad I don't have any of you guys backing me in a fight.. damn
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I agree...if you support someone, then you support them. Win lose or draw. Who knows what your vote will do? I would rather vote for him and know that I tried, than voting for someone else just because I thought he might not win.
 
Ms.Wetback said:
So is it ok to strap a bomb to myself and blow it up in a crowd ???

Or have a baby ripped out of me at 6 months ????

How about taking PCP so I can freak out kill my kids because I see them as aliens ? ? ?

Just some thoughts on what COULD happen outside of the AAS debate.
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that was about the most moronic thing i have ever read...


anyways loke. what you say is right. but you gotta learn that no one really gives a fuck. They are so used to things being done to them that they dont really even care about their rights. And the only people who go out and vote are old people because they dont really have anything to do anyways.
 
tacosupreem said:
that was about the most moronic thing i have ever read...


anyways loke. what you say is right. but you gotta learn that no one really gives a fuck. They are so used to things being done to them that they dont really even care about their rights. And the only people who go out and vote are old people because they dont really have anything to do anyways.
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All lot of truth there! But don't be like them.
I have an unfortunate situation that will prohibit my voting in this election.
But I have donated time and what little money I can . Plus I am try to show people that , if they don't care, they should.

I also feel that voting uninformed is worse than not voting at all.

I.E. A co-worker of my wife got back from the polls say how people should vote. When asked who she voted for she said, " I don't know but there was one congressman who was really hot, so I voted for him." Totally stupidity which there is no excuse for.

That's also what the drive is behind the " Get out and vote no matter what " shit, like Mtv geared towards the youth. They do this knowing the candidate the have interviewed *endorse* and have pushed with the most publicity will get all these uniformed youth votes.
 
if you have to write him in, then do it... don't settle for the most likely shitty option, stick to your beliefs and dont compromise them, thats what this country was founded on.
 
Ms.Wetback said:
So is it ok to strap a bomb to myself and blow it up in a crowd ???
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That is hurting other people with your body, a completely irrelevant argument.
Ms.Wetback said:
How about taking PCP so I can freak out kill my kids because I see them as aliens ? ? ?
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Have you ever met anyone that said "Man I wish I could do Crack/Heroin/Pcp but wont because they are illegal. But if they were legal, I would love to do as much as I can?" Anyone who wants to do drugs already does. And the violent crime for control of the illegal drug trade that kills numerous innocent people FAR outweighs the amount of incidents of which you mentioned.
 
ALLO said:
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why Dr Paul is the outcast. Take a look at who owns the major media that feeds the masses their daily pile of bullshit. Dr Paul wants a FOREIGN POLICY OF NON INTERVENTION, AND WANTS TO END OUR FOREIGN AID TO THE BIGGEST TIT SUCKER OF THEM ALL, ISREAL.
Once he said that, he was through, billions upon billions go to Isreal a year while americans( all americans suffer), and Dr Paul wants to end that garbage. I will vote for Dr Paul because I am sick and fucking tired of Isreal dictating our fucking policies.
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Yup. The Zionist media is purposely ignoring Dr. Paul because he would ruin the Israeli control of this country.
 
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