diet help.....

clutchitalian

clutchitalian

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so i am close to running 500mg test e and dieting very hard....i plan on a 4 day split with mild cardio to start....my plan was to keep protein high,moderate healthy fats,and very low carbs....

wake up-25g whey

preworkout-50g protein,40g carbs,5g fat..carbs like rice/wheat bread

postworkout-50g whey,60g dextrose,5g creatine

rest of meals-beef,chicken,fish with veggies

before bed-60g protein


so i just wanna have carbs pre and post aside from that just veggies....u guys think i could strip fat with this diet or should i tweak it????
 
I would shitcan the dextrose and eat real food carbs post workout like potatoes, rice or oats.
 
I would raise the fat more and lower the carbs more. Then at some point lower the protein. What ever you do, it's probably best to do it for more than a few months to see if it works for you. At some point you will probably stop losing and start maintaining. That's when you want to lower your total calories until you start losing again. This is what works for me anyway...I need to start re applying it too, my wife is giving me a hard time about my belly!!!
 
Well, they might be. When I do my diet I don't have any carbs in my macros, just what I get from the other foods I eat. So that comes out to probably about 75 grams or less of carbs in a day. The purpose is to try to get your body into ketosis and use your dietary fat and your stored fat as fuel. That is for the keto diet. I have heard of other guys focusing their carbs around training and that it works for them. You just have to try it and see what happens.
 
Jr nobody can tell you what those exact #'s regarding carbs & fats you need to take in since nobody knows your current scheme. Just look at the cals you've been taking in to keep you at your current weight of 220. Then, go into deficit mode. Start off by decreasing your cals by 300 a day for 2 weeks. If you wish for those cals to be from carbs, that would be 75g of carbs a day to cut back. Make sure your protein is up. Monitor the results & adjust/tweak from there. The mirror is your best tool for that.

Also, I'm with LI on drop the sugar - if cutting back on carbs, you want the carbs you do have to be from healthy sources, being complex to decrease insulin spikes.
 
Clutch from watching your posts over the years I estimate that you are carb sensitive like me. What that means is that you have to very cautious about when and how much you consume in carbs. For instance fats are much better for energy calories for me. Experiment with them. Stay under 150 g/d carbs for 2 weeks and then experiment with them to see how they work when you add them back. Withdrawing from them for two weeks will make you more insulin sensitive and you will actually partition them better than than if you have been using them liberally for some time. CArbs are my nemesis. I wish tehy weren't. Some people do very well with them and others like me and you do not. If we want to walk around at a real 10-12% BF there has to be some effort, intellect and sacrifice appled.
 
i agree....carbs hate me.....i can keep it under 150 but ive always used dextrose pwo....every since i started lifting ive heard how its a must...whats ur take??? i could always just use whey and small portion of complex carbs in my pwo meal........
 
clutchitalian said:
i agree....carbs hate me.....i can keep it under 150 but ive always used dextrose pwo....every since i started lifting ive heard how its a must...whats ur take??? i could always just use whey and small portion of complex carbs in my pwo meal........
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No not a must and probably counter productive. I would never use it.
 
I agree with everyone else. Get real carbs. You can get lean eating good carbs, just limit them. Have like 1/3 cup brown rice, as proposed to 1 cup if you were going to bulk. Also get up and make a real breakfast. I get up everyday and make breakfast. No shakes for breakfast! Cut out sugar, and dairy. Eat lots of veggies. Also eat for your target weight. Do not eat for 220lbs
 
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Glycomann said:
No not a must and probably counter productive. I would never use it.
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I must agree, sugar doesn't help anyone get lean. Call me crazy but depending on my carb intake pre workout, I don't even replenish them sometimes post w/o. I haven't noticed any hindrance in my results.
 
I only used dextrose pwo in my days messing with slin.

Now I just add some skim milk and frozen berries to my pwo shake.
 
Whey protien - throw in garbage can.
Dextrose sugar - put it next to the whey.

You will be surprised how much just eating clean will do for you one. Listen to G man about the carb experiment. Clutch you will just have to find what works for you and be patient. If you try to do it all at once you'll be disappointed.

My diet is eggs, beef, fish, white rice, oatmeL, sweet taters, and white tater (at certain times). That's pretty much it.

I did eat a burger and fries last night. Yummmmm
 
Darkness said:
Whey protien - throw in garbage can.
Dextrose sugar - put it next to the whey.

You will be surprised how much just eating clean will do for you one. Listen to G man about the carb experiment. Clutch you will just have to find what works for you and be patient. If you try to do it all at once you'll be disappointed.

My diet is eggs, beef, fish, white rice, oatmeL, sweet taters, and white tater (at certain times). That's pretty much it.

I did eat a burger and fries last night. Yummmmm
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I love a good burger. I might go hit 5 guys after the gym now. I do think protein powder helps. Mainly isolate for pwo due to fast absorbtion(or so it claims). I don't agree it is garbage, but rather beneficial, when not relied upon for calories, or meals. Is it necessary? No, but it helps get those extra grams. My main go to protein source is chicken. I eat a lot of chicken, just because there is so much you can do with it. I do eat fish, and beef occasionally. Lots of green veggies, green beans, broccoli, spinach and kale. carbs are brown rice quinoa, sweet potatoes, hummus on occasion. I like to eat some avocadoes too for fats.
 
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I love a good burger. I might go hit 5 guys after the gym now. I do think protein powder helps. Mainly isolate for pwo due to fast absorbtion(or so it claims). I don't agree it is garbage, but rather beneficial, when not relied upon for calories, or meals. Is it necessary? No, but it helps get those extra grams. My main go to protein source is chicken. I eat a lot of chicken, just because there is so much you can do with it. I do eat fish, and beef occasionally. Lots of green veggies, green beans, broccoli, spinach and kale. carbs are brown rice quinoa, sweet potatoes, hummus on occasion. I like to eat some avocadoes too for fats.
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Could be. But when I ditched the whey after training and substituted liquid egg whites in the same magic shakes, I plowed on 10 more pounds and could see night and day difference in the mirror. Ten or twenty times more expensive per serving and worth every penny.

For me, I think my body torches those little whey molecules for energy long before anything reaches the muscle cells for repair. In other words too fast absorption.
 
Darkness said:
Could be. But when I ditched the whey after training and substituted liquid egg whites in the same magic shakes, I plowed on 10 more pounds and could see night and day difference in the mirror. Ten or twenty times more expensive per serving and worth every penny.

For me, I think my body torches those little whey molecules for energy long before anything reaches the muscle cells for repair. In other words too fast absorption.
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I'm assuming you get the pasteurized egg whites in the carton? I used to do that for quick breakfast, but they get expensive as you said.
 
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I'm assuming you get the pasteurized egg whites in the carton? I used to do that for quick breakfast, but they get expensive as you said.
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Yea that's what I use for my shakes. Which also include all my aminos creatine and white rice flour. It's a bad ass post wo meal. It's free of fats so it's perfect after a GH, slin, and/or ghrp injection.
 
id ditch the carbs post workout for at least a couple of hours if not taking gh and fat loss is goal for 2 reasons

1. from what i understand cytokine production and saturation will prohibit an insulin spike roughly 30-45 min pwo so that would defeat purpose of immediate carb uptake.
2. insulin mitigates hgh/igf production so some ppl wait a while. i read an interesting article a while back showing blood levels taken every 15 minutes pwo... something like elevated levels upwards of 2 hours pwo...but to what degree will insulin shunt production and at what levels? who knows... even whey will cause an insulin spike. i suppose if you really wanted to be cautious you could slam aminos every 45min to an hour pwo
 
The only reason for dextrose post work out is if you're doing slin. You on insulin?
 
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