Ketogenic diets???

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I think I might be missing a key piece of information regarding ketogenic diets. I have heard several people rant and rave about how good they are; yet, the further I travel down the path towards my md, the less I find these diets to be beneficial. So...hopefully someone can clear up a couple of questions I have. Starving your body of carbs (no glucose intake) would quickly deplete your glycogen stores, within a week or so I believe all of the glycogen in your muscles and your liver would be depleted. However, the brain/nervous system, testes, and other key parts of your body can only survive with a glucose energy source. This next part scares me the most, gluconeogenesis, where your body breaks down proteins to form Acetyl CoA and reverse the process of glycolysis to provide glucose for the glucose deprived parts of your body. Now if your body is having to break down proteins to produce glucose for important parts of your body like the brain, I don't really see to many more proteins being broken down to form glucose for your testes (Hello Low Test Levels!) Now to bring all of this rambling to my main question, WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO DO A KETOGENIC DIET??? For me at least, gaining muscle is hard and if I want to lose fat I just need to bust my ass on the cardio (which seems like the best way to burn excess fat to me besides a SENSIBLE diet. I really hope I am missing something because I have friends who live by the ketogenic diet. If anyone could enlighten me I would be very appreciative. :albertein
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keto diets suck...

timed carb diets are what you want bro, you eat carbs after your workout in your two post workout meals only, the rest of the time you eat approx 60% protein and 40% fat. You must get the 40% fat or the protein can be turned into glucose. iron addict has a lot of info about it at his board. www.ironaddicts.com
 
thanks for the reply G4E. When I actually have time to diet that is how I do it with carbs pre and post workout and the rest of the day I mix in protien and healthy fats. My biggest problem right now is school. I know I can eat somewhat like I do when I diet, although, I am stuck with the mentality that if you can't do it perfect, don't do it at all. I know that it is pretty stupid but I feel like if I am not dieting perfect and not lifting hard there is no point in wasting my time because I am not maximizing my gains. That is probably the same reason why I have that constant desire to mix in fina and Test E because with those two at my sides my diet and training are multiplied by 100 times. Oh well...Thanks again for your reply
sliz
 
ok, i 1st tried keto last year....the fat melted off....but i really duno if i was ever in ketosis.....my protein was 400+ & my fats were round 150....buuuuuuuuuuuuut i found that if u cheat, it felt like i was runnin backwards like a week....so instead of that b.s. i go with pre workout carbs & post & bascially just eat like that nice & clean....have 1 cheat meal each week & just keep @ it

get the diet down b4 u get in 2 test etc

if the diet isnt right, ur gona waste ur hard earned $$
yes u will make gains but ull b happier goin in with a solid plan 4 everythin *diet, trainin etc*

i luved school, b/c id eat everywhere or @ least gota shake....chicken was & always will b my best buddy....its easy 2 cook, & toss it in a bag or lil container & ur good 2 go
 
NO carbs preworkout! that defeats the purpose carbs ONLY in your 2 PWO meals then one cheat day per week
 
goes4ever said:
NO carbs preworkout! that defeats the purpose carbs ONLY in your 2 PWO meals then one cheat day per week
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stop yellin @ me
well, im actually not doin it now anyway.....

so put that in ur pipe & smoke it :triggerha


just 2 clear it up, u take in carbs right after u train, then with the full meal about an hour later? :bath:
 
cylo said:
just 2 clear it up, u take in carbs right after u train, then with the full meal about an hour later? :bath:
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that is correct...your second pwo meal can be anywhere from 1 1/2-2 hours later, i opt for around 1 hour no more than an hour and a half.
 
No pre workout carbs??? I use to always eat an apple before I would go and work out because it followed the basics of what swole says in his diets. Is this now known to be not a good idea??? Oh yeah, and I definitely won't throw any test in til my diet is perfect. Like I said, if I can't do everything perfect in training I won't do anything. No use mixing in test if everything aint perfect.
 
sliz said:
No pre workout carbs??? I use to always eat an apple before I would go and work out because it followed the basics of what swole says in his diets. Is this now known to be not a good idea??? Oh yeah, and I definitely won't throw any test in til my diet is perfect. Like I said, if I can't do everything perfect in training I won't do anything. No use mixing in test if everything aint perfect.
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oh shit sorry i missed that bro...apple preworket is fine as i do the same...my bad... :)
 
I do not utilized the apple, I used to, when I worked with swole, but on my current diet, there is no pre workout carbs at all, and I cannot tell any difference
 
g4 i notice a difference, it makes my hot dog a little hotter...and thicker...
 
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