What is it when? (knee pain question)

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Last week I was settling in for some squat therapy, and beginning the negative, when across the front of my knee I got a very sharp, shooting pain.

The pain was as if a hot wire went across the front of my knee cap.

Suffice it to say, I racked the bar. That shit hurt.

I've noticed this on and off for about 6 or 8 months I think.

Anyone ever experience this? WTH?

No history of knee issues.
 
Sounds like your patellar tendon bro.





Patellar Tendonitis
Tendon Damage Often Called 'Jumper's Knee'

By Jonathan Cluett, M.D.

Updated July 15, 2014




The patellar tendon connects the kneecap (the patella) to the shin bone. This is part of the 'extensor mechanism' of the knee, and together with the kneecap quadriceps tendon and the quadriceps muscle, these structures allow your knee to straighten out, and provide strength for a kicking motion. The patellar tendon, like other tendons, is made of tough string-like bands. These bands are surrounded by a vascular tissue lining that provides nutrition to the tendon.
Patellar Tendinitis and Tendinosis
Patellar tendonitis is the condition that occurs when the tendon becomes inflamed and irritated. This condition is most often seen in athletes who do repetitive jumping, the reason patellar tendonitis is often called "jumper's knee." Patellar tendonitis is most often seen in participants of sports including basketball and volleyball, although can also be seen in runners and other types of athletes.

Patellar tendinosis is a chronic condition. Instead of the tendon becoming inflamed and irritated, the condition is more gradual in developing, and characterized by microscopic tears and thickening of the tendon. Patellar tendinosis causes similar symptoms, but the treatment of this condition is different from tendonitis.

Partial patellar tendon tears, a finding sometimes described on an MRI, are usually characteristic of chronic patellar tendinosis. These tears are differentiated from a complete patellar tendon tear where the entire tendon is detached and requires surgical repair.
Symptoms of Patellar Tendon Conditions
Patellar tendonitis and tendinosis usually cause pain directly over the patellar tendon. The tendon is usually tender and swollen. Movement of the knee may causes a crunching sensation called crepitus directly over the swollen tendon. The other common symptom of patellar tendon problems is pain with activities, especially jumping or kneeling.

X-ray tests are usually performed to confirm there is no problem with the bones around the knee. Occasionally, a calcium deposit may be seen, particularly in patients with a more chronic patellar tendinosis. An MRI may be helpful to look for symptoms of inflammation or partial tears within the tendon.
Patellar Tendon Treatment
Treatment should be initiated once the proper diagnosis is confirmed by your doctor. If the problem is an acute inflammation, treatment may include:

Rest
The most important first step in treatment is to avoid activities that aggravate the problem. Your body is the best guide to know how much to rest the injured knee--if an activity hurts in the area of the injured patellar tendon, then you should rest from that activity.
Anti-Inflammatory Medications
Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medications (NSAIDs) include a long list of possibilities such as Ibuprofen, Motrin, Naprosyn, Celebrex, and many others. Patellar tendonitis treatment can be improved by these medications that will decrease pain and swelling. Be sure to talk to your doctor before starting these medications.
Stretching
Stretching the quadriceps, hamstring, and calf muscles prior to activity is very important once you do resume activities. Getting into a good stretching habit, even once the symptoms resolve, will help prevent a recurrence of the problem.
Ice Treatments
Icing the area of inflammation is an important aspect of tendonitis treatment. The ice will help to control the inflammation and decrease swelling. By minimizing inflammation and swelling, the tendon can return to its usual state and perform its usual function.
Chopat Straps/Braces
Occasionally, your doctor will provide a support strap (called an infrapatellar strap or a Chopat strap), a knee brace, or custom orthotics. The benefit of these measures in the treatment of patellar tendonitis is not well known, but some patients find complete relief from using these products.

When the condition is chronic, treatment of inflammation is less likely to be helpful, therefore the focus of treatment for patellar tendinosis is with therapy. The most helpful therapeutic exercises for treatment of tendinosis are eccentric strengthening exercises.

Some surgeons are also using a treatment called PRP injections for treatment of patellar tendonitis and tendinosis. These injections may help stimulate a healing reaction in the body, although scientific evidence has yet to strongly support the use of this experimental treatment.

Is surgery ever needed for patellar tendonitis?
Exceedingly rarely. On some occasions, patients have persistent patellar tendonitis symptoms despite the treatments mentioned above. In these patients with chronic patellar pain, who have tried the above treatments for extended durations, surgery can be considered. Surgery is usually considered if damaged tendon is seen on the MRI. During surgery, this damaged tendon can be removed.

Sources:

Duri ZA, et al. "Patellar tendonitis and anterior knee pain" Am J Knee Surg. 1999 Spring;12(2):99-108.
 
I'm pretty sure this is what I have. I've just never been to the doctor about it. When it hurts real bad I take a break from squats. If its not too bad I'll do leg press, but if its bad I'll skip legs for a couple of weeks and that gives my tendons a good break.

I think what caused mine was I've been standing on concrete floors at work and also going up and down entry way stairs for large aircraft for 25yrs. Plus training for so long...I haven't used my knee wraps in a long time so I don't remember if they ease the pain....
 
It could be a number of things and you'll never know until you get a MRI..I've had knee problems since I was young, I had so many surgeries I've lost count,But remembering back when I had my acl replaced it was hurting like hell right across the front of my knee cap but it just so happens that's where it was torn in half, after it was replaced it was anchored just under the right side of my knee cap in my tibia ran under knee cap and anchored again just under the left of my quad in my femur.. I also had meniscus trimmed at the same time which put me bone on bone and led to my left knee being replaced 3 times...Yep that's right 3 TIMES... First time was a recalled knee, second time to small of a insert then upgraded to another larger prosthetic last time and needless to say it's still not right!! but my meniscus,mcl and acl caused me pain in my knee cap so it's really hard to say without a peak inside...
 
Lifts, THANK YOU for posting that. It sounds spot on...

I'm going to take FD's advice and get an MRI. I'd love to avoid surgery... I'd really like to participate in some of the bigger grappling comp's left for the year. But to do that effectively and competitively, I need the conditioning that high rep squats give me.

FD... I take it that you are able to squat now, right?
 
Lifts, THANK YOU for posting that. It sounds spot on...

I'm going to take FD's advice and get an MRI. I'd love to avoid surgery... I'd really like to participate in some of the bigger grappling comp's left for the year. But to do that effectively and competitively, I need the conditioning that high rep squats give me.

FD... I take it that you are able to squat now, right?

Yes Sir I can squat but I either front squat lightly or go really light back squat, Mostly anymore I do other stuff for legs like Hack squat, presses,etc..too much pain otherwise since now after 6 years of favoring my left knee I've worn out meniscus in my right one and need it replaced now...
But as long as I keep some nandrolone in there I'm relatively pain free most days..
 
I think you're just getting old. Quit complaining and do those squats. Just kidding.
 

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