Would you allow your children to do steroids

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Just a topic of discussion would you guys let your children use steroids if so at what age 18?20?25? If so under what conditions athlete? Very high leagues in sporting? Gym rat, olympics?


I?m just curious
 
After age 18, you no longer have any say what you're kids do. I would do my best to insure that they have the proper knowledge to make an educated decision.
 
I would discourage it. They're hard to step away from. It's kind of like Dorian says. It's like smoking. You can probably do them for a year and probably no lasting effects. Do them for 10 years and you might get aways with it. Do them for 20 years and well there's probably going to be some damage.
 
I agree with both lifts and Glyco. Wife and I just had this discussion about our daughter who is now exposed to people using PEDs and she has the “more disease”. She is qualified to be a model of various varieties but thinks she’s ugly. She wants to use a coach who’s a decent amateur competitor. She’s gonna run into a decision sooner rather than later.

It’s a fine line. I would rather she not. But when the time comes, do I want her to be educated by her mother and I, or some phuck tard blowd up kid in the gym? There enough furry women with deep voices where we train, another isnt necessary. It’s something to monitor closely. She knows I’m on trt and her mother on HRT.
 
Only if they were an extreme top level athlete. Not to be the faster sprinter in High School. It would also but under a Dr. supervision and at the lowest effective dosage possible.
 
Oh man this just got deep. At least 25 but preferably 30. I wouldn't encourage it, but I know I made my mind up by 25 that I would cycle some day and started at 30. You don't want to get in the way of the next Arnold do you?
 
At least 20 years here off and on, the wife uses, and I?d still prefer my kid didn?t. Although if she got serious into training and wanted to compete I?d be ecstatic since now she?s a lazy turd lol. If she went that far I guess I?d expect it, otherwise I?d prefer she didn?t.
 
I don't have kids yet but honestly I wouldn't want them to be stuck in the mindset that I am. In a way it's a prison of vanity. I'm happier this way but I wish I didn't care so much about it. I think people should hit the gym and if they see an endo down the road I don't see an issue with that. But to be happy without any of this is what I would truly want for one of my kids.
 
Short answer (I have a very young son),

Not until he's old enough to physically hold his own against me/full developed/can live on his own if he wanted/educated on it for at least a couple years prior to starting

These were basically all the metrics I met when I started and I researched them for almost 4 years before I took my first shot because of how interested I was and how passionate about bodybuilding I was.

I think children should never ever do anabolic steroids (obviously extremely rare cases in hospitals with mutations/diseases exempt) and when they're done growing they kinda no longer children (still my son lol) but I would respect him enough to educate him deeply on the subject then ask him his decision and that he not keep anything a secret from me.

Just my point of view
 
b52 said:
I don't have kids yet but honestly I wouldn't want them to be stuck in the mindset that I am. In a way it's a prison of vanity. I'm happier this way but I wish I didn't care so much about it. I think people should hit the gym and if they see an endo down the road I don't see an issue with that. But to be happy without any of this is what I would truly want for one of my kids.
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My man, I totally hear you on that vanity thing. I have made it my goal every single day (even using affirmations and listening to dr. robert anthony, etc.) to retract myself from the vanities and futility of this world and root myself well, in my self. Doing so has led to joy I've never really experienced before.

It's pretty hard, you have to accept that beliefs and values you've held all your life may be erroneous and habits are hard to change but I find staying present and being aware that I'm more than just my body, I'm the thinker behind the thoughts, has really helped me. A few months back actually, I had been completely off cycle for almost 6 months and lost over 20 pounds and I really didn't think of it in anyway except that I was using my talent in other places instead of dominantly at the gym, and when the time comes to refocus on the gym, my body will respond like it always does.

It helps to think of other great qualities you possess, how much you actually have to be grateful for in life, and goals you set.....direct yourself in a sense. Otherwise people and events direct my life for me. And I stopped that over a year ago.

Jmho.

Prince
 
My son came to me the other day, 15yo, and asked me about creatine. He asked if I had any he could use. I told him that I had some in the cabinet that I don't use anymore and I let him try it. My son plays sports and he is very lean. If there was such thing as 12-pack abs he would have them. He asked one day when I was training him in the gym..."dad I've got the lean thing down pat but how do I get the muscle size?" I wanted to cringe. I told him that he needs to eat more and eat right and that in due time you will be able to build muscle. I didn't even go into a discussion on hormones because that way over his head. My wife wasn't overly thrilled that he started the creatine. It's not the creatine that she was so concerned with, it's that creatine shows that he is interested and could lead him down the path to steroids down the road. Again, he is only 15yo but you and I both know that you about every single one of us tried/used creatine prior to and/or concurrently with testosterone and other steroids.

Long story short, I hope my kid never messes with steroids.

I ran 200-300mg/wk or Test Cyp and 350-400mg/wk of Tren Ace this past summer. I was finally injury free and able to have my training and diet spot on. I looked ridiculously good. I set the bar so high this past summer that now I am unhappy with my abs and my appearance even though I still have fully visible nice abs. Of course in my head I knew it wasn't something that I could hold year round but I still want to chase that look. Today, I could take off my shirt anywhere at any beach, pool, or whatever and probably look better than all if not most of the people around me by far...yet I am still not happy with my appearance and feel like I'm not lean enough.

I guess as b52 put it...prison of vanity.
 
theprince said:
My man, I totally hear you on that vanity thing. I have made it my goal every single day (even using affirmations and listening to dr. robert anthony, etc.) to retract myself from the vanities and futility of this world and root myself well, in my self. Doing so has led to joy I've never really experienced before.

It's pretty hard, you have to accept that beliefs and values you've held all your life may be erroneous and habits are hard to change but I find staying present and being aware that I'm more than just my body, I'm the thinker behind the thoughts, has really helped me. A few months back actually, I had been completely off cycle for almost 6 months and lost over 20 pounds and I really didn't think of it in anyway except that I was using my talent in other places instead of dominantly at the gym, and when the time comes to refocus on the gym, my body will respond like it always does.

It helps to think of other great qualities you possess, how much you actually have to be grateful for in life, and goals you set.....direct yourself in a sense. Otherwise people and events direct my life for me. And I stopped that over a year ago.

Jmho.

Prince
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Yeah, this is where God takes over for me. I get that inner joy from scripture, although it's not the easiest life. People always seem to think that idk why. As put together as I seem in person( I only know this because I have heard numerous people tell others how put together I am for my age. No I'm not bragging) I'm one step away from falling apart. I feel like I'm 2 people. One that is constantly fighting to keep the other one at bay.


Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Sums it up perfectly. Not trying to get too religious on you, I just feel it relates to our conversation and what I deal with on a daily basis in my own mind, including steroid use. So I truly mean it when I say I wish wasn't this way, but I enjoy it and it makes me happy and that's where it becomes a motherf*cker.
 
I have two boys. The older one lives on his own and i have no say in what he puts in his body. The younger one won't be allowed to use aas, or any illegal substance as long as he lives in my home.
 
b52 said:
I don't have kids yet but honestly I wouldn't want them to be stuck in the mindset that I am. In a way it's a prison of vanity. I'm happier this way but I wish I didn't care so much about it. I think people should hit the gym and if they see an endo down the road I don't see an issue with that. But to be happy without any of this is what I would truly want for one of my kids.
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You took words out of my mouth...
 
My two sons are both in their 30's, so at this point I wouldn't care.
 
I feel very much the same as all of you thanks for the responses . I was just curious since we all use , it’s almost like do what I say not as I do type of deal.... even though this won’t even be an issue for me until my kids are older they r still babies
 
If they are on a strict daily routine of training With the proper knowledge of aas and also the body once they are finished growing I don’t think it would be bad in moderation. Would you want your kid coming to you about it or buying an opened vial of test from some kid at school or the gym? I can tell you firsthand that my dad wasn’t pissed but more upset when he found pins and didn’t know about it. Not that I would have asked him bc he has no knowledge of aas and has never worked out. However I did my own research for months and waited until I turned 18 to run my first cycle. Once I was realized that 75% of MLB players were on juice, especially the best of the best guys, I figured it couldn’t be that bad if done correctly while taking care of the body. I ended up getting a D1 scholarship to play ball and don’t think it would’ve happened if I hadn’t taken anything. With that being said, I don’t have a son, only a daughter and I wouldn’t want her taking anything period but that’s just my personal opinion.
 
I definitely feel like a hypocrite sometimes when it come sot my kids. I just tell myself that I am older and wiser, and like everyone there are many things I would have done differently. So when I am telling my kids don't do this or that it's because I don't want them to repeat the same mistakes. I'm not referring to AAS use because I don't necessarily regret using AAS, but I'm just referring to life choices in general.
 
b52 said:
Yeah, this is where God takes over for me. I get that inner joy from scripture, although it's not the easiest life. People always seem to think that idk why. As put together as I seem in person( I only know this because I have heard numerous people tell others how put together I am for my age. No I'm not bragging) I'm one step away from falling apart. I feel like I'm 2 people. One that is constantly fighting to keep the other one at bay.


Romans 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

Sums it up perfectly. Not trying to get too religious on you, I just feel it relates to our conversation and what I deal with on a daily basis in my own mind, including steroid use. So I truly mean it when I say I wish wasn't this way, but I enjoy it and it makes me happy and that's where it becomes a motherf*cker.
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That's powerful man. Not possible to get too religious on me lol. I understand completely to the extent I've experienced it myself. You're obviously aware of your battles and that is crucial. We all are on a journey, and it truly is about the journey not the destination.

Once we make the journey (the now) (the narrow gate) our primary focus before we can look up, we have arrived at our destination! You're doing awesome and yes I would also agree you seem very well put together physically and mentally.
 
I would never let or encourage my son to mess with them in his teen years. But as he gets older, if I seen he really wanted to do them and was dead set, certainly I would advise him so he knows how to use them responsibly, the pros vs cons, and repercussions. Better that than him hiding it and listening to some dumbass in the gym who doesn't know dick.
 
My views have changed over the last 10 years, but especially the past few that I have kids. At this point, I hope they do not indulge unless really needed. I'll be first in saying they are addictive, and i'll be honest, I have a lot of friends, but i'm sort of a loner and hate going out in public a lot (I do like it sometimes), but one of the larger reasons I do them and stay current on them is because I like coming to the forums. I like my friendships I've developed here across the forums, so it goes hand in hand. If I were not on the forums (which are addictive in themselves, lol), i'd probably draw away from using AAS.


My kids are only 3 and 6, so I have a very strong fatherly feeling for them. They are so young.
 
Agree with BMJ! Although I don't come on the forums nearly as much as I used to I really enjoy checking in on the guys I've known here for years; it definitely has the effect of sustaining the lifestyle. As far as kids, no way. I would say train early, train young and train hard and you can maximize this human body. Unless they were involved in high level/professional athletic competition, I would never even consider supporting it.
 
Yes, but only after they are older than 18. I would fully support and educate them on how to use them.
 
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