Vince Gironda Eggs Diet

[Thate]

Vince Gironda Eggs Diet
2-3 dozen eggs a day is a lot, especially if your current diet is moderate in protein and fat. Take it easy at first, and remember you will not be taking in any carbohydrates (assuming you are doing the fat loss diet) except once every 3-4 days in the form of a carb only meal.

Cooking and eating 2-3 dozen cooked eggs a day is difficult, but I found shakes to be the most convenient way of getting my fill.

One shake consists of:

Cream (half and half)
12 eggs (raw)
Water and Ice
Pure protein powder (quality whey/or milk and egg) - the powder is mainly for flavor.

Drink this throughout your morning as breakfast.

Adjust the volume to your preference (ie. taste and consistency).

And adjust the egg content to what you can handle (ex. 6 eggs x 3 x day = 1.5 doz. = half way to 3 doz.)

Repeat at noon and evening. Or make several shakes in the morning and bring them with you to work (so long as you have a fridge for storage).

If you want to eat, eat some eggs or meat. But you'll probably find your appetite calms down, and your cravings will subside.

Nick told me my diet was...

eggs: unlimited
meat: unlimited
..."thats it, any questions?"

remember to take digestive enzymes, an EFA blend, and a quality multi-vit (good b complex)
Vince liked liver tabs, and glandulars as well.

If you are not trying to lose bodyfat then just keep your carb intake moderate. By moderate I mean have some toast with your eggs, or enjoy a small veggie side dish with your steak. What I don't mean is inhaling worthless cereals, or other processed starchy foods with every meal. The kind of carbs you ingest doesn't matter...it all becomes a form a glucose (sugar) and will cause an insulin response (usually leading to bodyfat deposits). The exception would be fiberous food products, as your body cannot digest them.

 

[Forkboy]

goodluck to salmonella

 

[liftsiron]

Cream and egg yolks are just empty saturated fat calories imo.

 

[Thate]

Cream and egg yolks are just empty saturated fat calories imo.

Empty, how do you figure? It greatly boosts testosterone levels. Empty cals example would be from alcohol imo.

 

[liftsiron]

Empty, how do you figure? It greatly boosts testosterone levels. Empty cals example would be from alcohol imo.

Your going under the false assumption that since testosterone is in part synthesized from cholesterol, that diets mega high in cholesterol must raise natural test levels...very wrong, if that were the case you could eat tablespoons full of lard all day. A normal eugonadal male will produce 4-7mgs of test per day regardless if they supersaturate their diet or not with cholesterol. Vince had many unfounded and somewhat goofy ideas, all based on assumption, not science.

 

[GetBigger]

egg yolks are imo not an empty cal source. they give alot of vitamins and minerals. also lecithin which is good for lowering cholesterol.

 

[John Benz]

Vince had many unfounded and somewhat goofy ideas, all based on assumption, not science.

Vince based his radical ideas on years of experience as arguably the most renowned personal trainer of his time. Larry Scott, Sergio and young Arnold Schwarzennegger were among the many pros who sought his "hands-on" unorthodox approach. He threw out anything that failed to produce results. Two of his ideas that seemed goofy back then were to replace hundreds of sit-ups with a new exercise he called the abdominal crunch and he was also the first to preach low-carb and zero carb diets for subcutaneous fat loss. I read everything he wrote and never saw anything that was unfounded or goofy.

The WHOLE egg remains the gold standard of proteins with a BV rating of 100. Individually, neither the white nor the yolk rates this high. In a boiled egg, there is more than enough lecithin to shuttle excess cholesterol out of the system. IFBB pro Pat Skailes told me he made his greatest gains eating 2-3 dozen raw eggs every day for years.

2 well-known trainers who espouse the potency of raw eggs are DC and IRON ADDICT. Science can tell us what "should" work, but no scientific study can negate the results these men achieved in hundreds of satisfied clients. Below is a pic of Pat Skailes before he won his pro card and while still completely natural. He's about 44 here.

 

[liftsiron]

egg yolks are imo not an empty cal source. they give alot of vitamins and minerals. also lecithin which is good for lowering cholesterol.

True, but heavy cream and egg yolks are very calorie dense, and to much will get you fat, when there are dozens of better food choices for a bodybuilder who desires to look lean and cut without excess aerobics. As for the guy eating two to three dozen raw eggs a day, think of the gains the would have made if he had brains enough to realize that raw egg protein is poorly utilized by the human body.

You can find dozens of comparisons b/t raw and cooked eggs, this taken from wikipedia pretty much sums it up.

"Chicken eggs are widely used in many types of dishes, both sweet and savory. Eggs can be pickled, hard-boiled, soft-boiled, scrambled, fried and refrigerated. They can also be eaten raw, though this is not recommended for people who may be especially susceptible to salmonella, such as the elderly, the infirm, or pregnant women. In addition, the protein in raw eggs is only 51% bio-available, whereas that of a cooked egg is nearer 91% bio-available, meaning the protein of cooked eggs is nearly twice as absorbable as the protein from raw eggs.[4] As an ingredient, egg yolks are an important emulsifier in the kitchen, and the proteins in egg white allow it to form foams and aerated dishes."

 

[John Benz]

I hate when people, especially knowledgeable people go with scientific articles even when they fly in the face of real world results. Iron Addict and DC swear by raw eggs and are convinced that they are as anabolic as cooked ones....reminds me of the following little bit of humor.

THE FOLLOWING POST IS FICTIONAL. ANY SIMILARITIES TO REAL PEOPLE OR EVENTS IS PURELY COINCIDENTAL.

You have this one favorite exercise that you do. You grip the bar your way and you lift it your way. You get this really great squeeze at the top and since you've discovered it, (the particular muscle) has grown 1/4 of an inch in 3 weeks. This has since fired up your whole program and you know you're on your way to the best gains of your lifting career.

The gym you're training at has 2 guys who are getting regional exposure, Pork and Chop. Everyone is in awe of them and they have "God like" status. Only a chosen few have the privilege to talk to them.

You're at the gym and you finish the 2nd set of your favorite exercise and as soon as you drop the bar to the floor, you feel a tap on the shoulder. You turn around and it's Pork with Chop standing behind him with a pissed look on his face.

Pork says, "Look boy alright, next week we have (enter muscle magazine name here) coming by to shoot us for their next issue, alright, and we don't want people to think we train in a gym with people who don't know what they're doing, alright. That exercise you're doing and the way you're doing it makes me and Chop look bad, alright?"

"Yea, look bad. It makes us look bad, alright?" says Chop.

"And if you want proof, alright," says Pork as he reaches into his 2 sizes too small spandex shorts and pulls out a soggy piece of paper, "this is a study from the Journal of the Association of Guys with Too Much Time on their Hands, alright. They had 6 well-trained individuals do your exercise your way for 6 weeks, alright. They concluded that this exercise done your way is completely worthless and anyone who thinks otherwise is a big pooh-pooh brain, alright?"

What do you do?

A. Ignore him and continue on with your 3rd set. Who cares what some study says? You've seen it with your own eyes, that's all the proof you need.

B. Bow down before them and accept the fact that if the study says its worthless, that it must be. Besides what's personal experience compared to science. The 1/4 inch gain must have all been in your head.

C. Take the damp paper from Pork's hand, place it on the floor, pull out your member, urinate on it, pick it back up and rub it all up in Pork's face as you scream, "CONCLUDE THIS, ALRIGHT?"

 

[liftsiron]

Hey JB eat all the raw eggs you want. It's funny that DC has his own protein line, which to my knowledge isn't a raw egg product.

 

[Thate]

Your going under the false assumption that since testosterone is in part synthesized from cholesterol, that diets mega high in cholesterol must raise natural test levels...very wrong, if that were the case you could eat tablespoons full of lard all day. A normal eugonadal male will produce 4-7mgs of test per day regardless if they supersaturate their diet or not with cholesterol. Vince had many unfounded and somewhat goofy ideas, all based on assumption, not science.

This doesn't address how they are empty calories, your original point.

 

[liftsiron]

This doesn't address how they are empty calories, your original point.

Ok they are not empty calories, they provide a huge amount of saturated fat and cholesterol...both very good for your heart, and the extra fat should help to add a great degree of bulk right to the waist.

 

[GetBigger]

you both have different views no big deal. its what the games about. agree to disagree

 

[John Benz]

Actually I agree with liftsiron that cooked eggs are easier to digest, but I do not agree that they are better for you. Raw eggs contain beneficial enzymes that are lost in the cooking process and the overall quality of any protein is lowered when subjected to heat. I have never seen a study that was published in a major scientific journal like JAMA that proved there was a connection between raw eggs and Biotin definciency. Still I eat my eggs cooked, but not over cooked.

Also the yolks are far more than just cholesterol and fat, they are an extremely high quality protein and one of the rare sources of natural Vitamin D.

 

[TAVARES88]

Other advocate of whole eggs is Charles Poliquin.

How about whole enriched omega-3 eggs ?

 

[liftsiron]

Other advocate of whole eggs is Charles Poliquin.

How about whole enriched omega-3 eggs ?

I think whole eggs are fine within reason, I always add a few whole eggs with extra whites. The point I was making is that egg yolks and cream add a tremendous of extra calories provided by unhealthy fats. As for eating raw eggs I think that it's senseless, JB please name some beneficial enzymes lost in the cooking process. Also please provide proof that DC and Iron Addict are advocates of eating raw eggs.

 

[liftsiron]

Actually I agree with liftsiron that cooked eggs are easier to digest, but I do not agree that they are better for you. Raw eggs contain beneficial enzymes that are lost in the cooking process and the overall quality of any protein is lowered when subjected to heat. I have never seen a study that was published in a major scientific journal like JAMA that proved there was a connection between raw eggs and Biotin definciency. Still I eat my eggs cooked, but not over cooked.

Also the yolks are far more than just cholesterol and fat, they are an extremely high quality protein and one of the rare sources of natural Vitamin D.

It took me less than five minutes to find few dozen journal studies on raw egg consumption and biotin deficiency. Most were animal studies, however here is one of the several human cases. Like I said it took less than five minutes to find a few dozen studies on this topic.

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 21, 173-182, Copyright ? 1968 by The American Society for Clinical Nutrition, Inc.
Human Biotin Deficiency
A Case History of Biotin Deficiency Induced by Raw Egg Consumption in a Cirrhotic Patient
C. M. BAUGH PH.D.1, J. H. MALONE M.D.1, and C. E. BUTTERWORTH JR. M.D.1

1 From the Division of Nutrition, Department of Medicine, Medical College of Alabama, Birmingham, Alabama

1) A 62-year-old white female developed clinical manifestations of biotin deficiency after consuming a diet containing six raw eggs daily for 18 months. The diet was advised by a well-meaning physician to aid liver regeneration following a diagnosis of Laennec's cirrhosis.

2) Clinical manifestations included anorexia, nausea, vomiting, glossitis, pallor, depression, lassitude, substernal pain, scaly dermatitis, and desquamation of the lips. All symptoms cleared or improved markedly after 2-5 days of parenteral vitamin therapy providing 200 ?g of biotin daily, while she continued her pretreatment diet. In contrast to other case reports, she did not exhibit anemia, muscle pains, hypercholesterolemia, or electrocardiographic abnormality.

3) Nornmal subjects were observed to remove free, injected biotin from the blood within 3-5 hr, excreting 55 and 27% in the urine in 24 hr after injection. In contrast, free biotin did not disappear from the patient's blood for approximately 8 hr, and 91% of the those appeared in the urine. These results suggest that hepatic cirrhosis prevented the proper storage and utilization of biotin in this patient.

 

[John Benz]

Also please provide proof that DC and Iron Addict are advocates of eating raw eggs.

Here are few quotes from Iron Addict. I have been working 12 hours straight. Dog tired. Will get to the other stuff tomorrow. -JB-

starting out with raw eggs. besides homeade egg nog I have never drank many raw eggs, would I be safe starting out eating 6 raw eggs a day or should I start with a lower number?

They digest great, start out with as many as you like. I find a protien drink with 4-5 eggs, milk and 30 grams of whey digests better than and leaves me less bloated then having all whey and milk.

And yes, I drink milk, but know many people just don't tolerate it well.

Iron Addict

what am i missing here...i thought u would get salmonella from this?hell i love eggnog fill me in guys!

There is a 1 in 30,000 chance of getting sick that way. If those odds work for you go for it, if they don't you are paranoid and should refrane from doing so. I have eaten raw eggs like this for 20 years without a single problem and have known many others that have done likewise.

Where did you read your "stuff"about this bb.com?

IA

im not so much worried about the flavor or the chance of salmonella as i am any other negative aspect of eating them raw. i guess i should have been more clear in my question. let me try again......

does eating raw eggs rob you of anything positive that cooking them would have produced? after i read frosty's post, i researched a little and found some websites that claim cooking the egg actually releases some nutrients. some claim, as frosty said, that cooking the egg "deactivates" some nutrients. also, one website mentioned the bioavailability of the protein being higher after cooked. since i am not knowledgeable by ANY means on this subject, i am hoping some of you who are will chime in here.

Semper Fi

Cooking is detrimental to all foods. Releasing nutrients? From where? They are already in the egg and you are going to eat the egg!

They are just fine raw and nothing is lost by not cooking them, although quite a bit MAY be lost when cooked.

Iron Addict

And whe asked about the 55% absorption rate of raw eggs and Biotin definciency...here is Iron Addict's reply.

I have seen studies that say 55% absorbtion, I have seen studies that say 65%. 85%, 95%. I have seen studies that go into biotin absorbtion issues. i have seen studies that......wait a minute, you know what I have really seen? I have seen countless lifters over the years that have told me about how they have finally broken through sticking points by simply adding 3-9 whole raw eggs a day to their diets. Is it simply because of the overall caloric increase? Perhaps, know what? I could give a damn about the mechanism as long as it works, and for a LOT of lifters out there it works great. The study can often kiss my ass.

IA

 

[liftsiron]

I guess old misconceptions die hard for some. I stand by my statement however that cooked eggs are better and safer to eat. We have been cooking foods for tens of thousands years now, I would think that our systems have adjusted to cooked protein sources. Also Salmonella from raw eggs and raw egg products are reported to kill approx 600- 1000 in the USA per year, which is very small percentage wise but why take the risk? Thousands more are infected each year, but normally recover within a week or so.

 

[Lokedoggg]

Eggs are good animals.

 

[davelifter]

Eggs are good people.

 

[makaveli25]

just bought organic cage free eggs today.. I ate 3 raw just put them in my mouth and chased them down with some water.. Im gonna work my way up to a dozen. My stomach feels a little queasy but it wasn;t to bad

 

[Scott21]

OK - maybe in these pics..........

http://www.trainwiser.com/f139/patrick-skailes-2355/


http://www.threeboy.com/c4_pvl/pvldirect.com/team_pat.html

(Still doubt it though! Maybe I'm just jealous.......LOL )

If by natural you mean he only uses organic Test and GH.

 

[cman]

Cream and egg yolks are just empty saturated fat calories imo.

With all that saturated fat and cholesterol you'd better get on the list for a heart transplant now. The protein is in the egg whites. I would just discard the yolks.

 

[mrhtbd]

If by natural you mean he only uses organic Test and GH.

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[mrhtbd]

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[Thate]

Ok they are not empty calories, they provide a huge amount of saturated fat and cholesterol...both very good for your heart, and the extra fat should help to add a great degree of bulk right to the waist.

If eaten with minimal carbs it is quite the opposite, very easy to drop bf. I also can maintain strength gains while dropping bf, when there is usually a noticeable drop with a traditional diet.

 

[liftsiron]

If eaten with minimal carbs it is quite the opposite, very easy to drop bf. I also can maintain strength gains while dropping bf, when there is usually a noticeable drop with a traditional diet.

Whatever works for you, it's not the whole eggs that I see any problem with, it's that damn cream lol.

 

[Thate]

Whatever works for you, it's not the whole eggs that I see any problem with, it's that damn cream lol.

I hear you on that, I don't normally consume it daily but when I do it's 3 tblsp with a protein shake.

I never thought the high protein/high fat diet would work as well as it does until I gave it a real honest shot earlier this year. I think it takes until around week 6 before you can get a good idea. The main thing for me was the zero hunger it provides, I always had to fight hunger pangs multiple times per day with a traditional lower carb diet.

Lift's what ratio's do you normally do when dropping bf?

 

[liftsiron]

I hear you on that, I don't normally consume it daily but when I do it's 3 tblsp with a protein shake.

I never thought the high protein/high fat diet would work as well as it does until I gave it a real honest shot earlier this year. I think it takes until around week 6 before you can get a good idea. The main thing for me was the zero hunger it provides, I always had to fight hunger pangs multiple times per day with a traditional lower carb diet.

Lift's what ratio's do you normally do when dropping bf?

I like 55-60% protein 20-30% carbs and 15% or less fats.