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I've been on for a long time now. Got blood work done last week.
My Dr called me yesterday and wants me to come in for an abdominal ultra sound to check for cirosis of the liver and blood work to check for hepatitis.
I told him I was expecting my liver enzymes to be out of sorts as I've been using a test booster I got at GNC (LOL!!!!). He doesn't know I'm on steroids even though he suspects.
So I told him I saw no need for any of those things.
He said then lets go to plan B. Get off of whatever you are on and come in April for more blood work.
I agreed to that. But I'm wanting to run my Eq out for 10 more weeks.
I'm not overly concerned about the liver enzymes due to the fact that I was using heavy doses of orals in prep for my PL Meet in March.
By the way, my prostate was at .7, which is excellent, not even a 1 which begins the normal range.
My red blood cell count was extrememly elevated (big surprise) and he suggested donating some blood.
How can he suggest I donate blood if he thinks I have hep?
Any thoughts, concerns? Anyone want to try to kick my butt and stuff me in the car to take me to the Dr?
Or as I suspect do you think it's just the normal disruption of the enzymes from being on cycle?
 
If I remimber your age is up there isnt it ?I cant recall but I thought you were older but excellent shape and heavy lifts ....It is strange that he would suggest you donate blood with his questioning wether hep is possible . But I donate every 8 weeks and it does help me feel better with the red blood cell count being elvated,seems to help my BP issues and etc.
Im always up for "mixin" it up a bit so I will voulanteer to "try" and kick your butt and stuff you in the taxi ..lol
and as you said the Liver enzymes are going to be elevated hence the large amount of Orals you stated you are running ..
My assumption is if your set on running your EQ out another 10 wks then go for it and then come off and just cruise and go get your tests redone at that time .
 
I would do like the doc suggests. One of my personal friends won all the local contests a few years ago, but quit completely when his strength started to decline and his bloodwork showed highly elevated liver values. Several years ago Patrick Arnold wrote that 17aa orals affect people differently and that one of his friends almost died due to liver damage from steroids. He said the guy had almost gone past the point of no return and it took a long time for his liver to recover after he quit cold turkey. ;)
 
If you want to post up numbers when you have them I can comment. My guess is if your doc is concerned about cirrhosis the enzymes are a bit more than a little out of range. Also would be helpful to see the complete blood work results. Whether you want to admit it to yourself or not your body has been under a lot of stress. Also you can come off, heal up if possible at this point, and get back on and the drugs will work better and you'll be back to huge in 8 weeks. If you are, and I'm not saying you are, at a tipping point it's better to get everything sorted out.
 
Just because you donate blood doesn't mean they'll use it. It's tested and retested for any positives and thrown out if it isnt perfect. I'm sure he took that into consideration.

Don't be stupid BB, drop down to a trt dose and chill for awhile. ;)
 
I'm with BT and Gman on this one. I would recommend donating blood before you return to get bloodwork done this will lower your RBC and Hematocrit, I just had bloodwork done myself about 3 weeks ago and it was to soon for me to donate again and I told my doctor the same little white lie you did, he was mainly testing my thyroid levels but ran the gamet on me well I warned him my RBC,hemacrit,cholesterol & liver enzymes were going to be a little high due to my diet on the cholesterol and enzymes and RBC high because I was running a test booster from GNC, lmao.. Even though he knows I cycle just not I do as much as I do, I only tell him it's the bare minimum becuase he has to increase my T4 for the thyroid anytime I run Deca or any 19nor, most of the time he just raises it 100mcg up to 300mcg ed.. But like Gman said "My guess is if your doc is concerned about cirrhosis the enzymes are a bit more than a little out of range" I'm betting the reason he's saying this not only is your enzymes are high I bet my bottom dollar you bilirunbin is high this is usally the determining factor when they diagnose you with hepatitus or cirrhosis (this is what gives you the yellow color when mr liver stops) which then they will test for hep C and usually do a liver biopsy at least they did in my case when I had to take chemo for mine.... As for the orals people over think these most of the time the reason I say this I thought mine would be high as well so I warned him but low and behold mine were within range but on the high end of ok!! And here's the kicker the day I was tested I was on week 14 of running dbol/var combo @ 50/100mg ed!! Yes Sir, go ahead and get in my ass for running these orals for this long but I've done it before and know what I'm getting myself into matter of fact yesterday was the start of week 17 I'm almost out so I may have enough to run the two compunds for another couple weeks and see no harm since the enzymes and bilirubin are within range, this is why I think something else is going on if he menioned cirrosis like bilirubin being high.. But my doctor caled me and said everything was ok except I needed to get to the hemotologist ASAP and let them draw out some blood becuase mine was so thick he was afraid I was going to stroke out and said until you get there you need to increase you Aspirin from 82mg to 325mg, But I can donate blood this week so I'll do that instead of waisting 3 or 400.00 at a hemotologist for something that I already know whats causing it.. But I wouldn't dare tell him I'm running a gram of test ew, 700mg npp ew,dbol,var,prov,adex,hcg,hgh,mt2and a shit load of supps! lol just be careful brother and if nothing else donate blood if not for you since your like me so stubborn do it for your wife!! Keep us updated..
 
why not go in and let him do what he wants? if you dont like his attitude get a different doc. i finally came clean with my doc and feel great about it. and he even said " my job is not to judge but to advise and give you the best care i can" at least you will know. think of your wife and grandkids...
 
that's what i need to get done soon,my liver values and psa levels.when i'm on drol or mast it hurts inside my ass taking a shit,hurts my balls bad when i bust a nut and i get the gotta pee bad but only dribbles come out thing goin on.

plus i've been getting winded really easy lately and feel discomfort on my right upper mid-section,right where the liver is according to my anatomy charts.soon as i stop any dht based shit the prostate issues cease in a week or less but i know my liver's def affected somehow.

just got over having walking pnuemonia about 1.5-2wks now,just feeling better then wham,sunday night i got sick as a dog.low grade fever,coughing up mucous,weak,lethargic.don't think i could hit 225x10 on the bench right now.before i got sick i was hitting the mid 300's for reps.even push-ups are a burden.it's like my immune system's not working right.wish i had health coverage.sucks without it.every doctor my way sees nothing but dollar signs when you walk in their office just like the pharmacies...
 
Rocco brother you sound like you have some major shit going on!! Definately sounds like some prostate enlargement not to mention you sound like your liver is acting up and you may even have some scaring, I would dam sure keep a eye on it and get some blood work done.. Good luck to both of you guys!
 
Damn guys if you're going to dose so high you gotta learn to come off or at least do a low cruise for an extended period of time. This shit is stressful to the body.
 
Coming off? What does that mean?
When I get my numbers in I'll post them to get you guys reaction to them.
Don't you thionk that 100mg adrol and 100mg var ed for two weeks would elevate the liver enzymes and take them a while to get back to a decent range?
I'll admit I've been runing full heavy cycle strength doses of different compounds for a very long time now. But my blood tests have always come back decent. Not perfect, but not alarming to the point my Dr is calling me at home.
 
SMH.. if only you guys knew what you are doing to your body.. as DR veejay used to say this is a marathon not a sprint. you may be fine for a year or four but ten years down the road, you will be in big trouble if you guys dont adress your issues.
 
bufbiker said:
I don't have my numbers yet. They will be mailed to me.
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I would like to take a look at the numbers as well, in the meantine it's good practice to take a baby asprin once a day this helps to prevent blood clotting. Tylenol in vikes really skews my liver enzymes, so i only use them when absolutely necessary and never take regular tylenol.
 
I agree with a few others, you should go in and get checked out just incase. I mean the worst that can happen is they find somthing and you can be taken care of.
 
I'm pretty sure it's just from being on cycle and all the orals I was popping during my contest prep.
My urine is yellow in the morning and clears somewhat during the day. Not completely but it does clear up a good bit.
I'm on week 18 Saturday of Eq and am just starting to really see the gains from it. So I want to run it out 10 more weeks, then I'll go down to TRT dosing.
 
Dude listen to the doc. You've been on for like forever and running high doses. Hell you already kicked ass in the meet. Not like your a pro getting paid big bucks in this game, so why even take the risk. Give your organs a break man!
 
liftsiron said:
I would like to take a look at the numbers as well, in the meantine it's good practice to take a baby asprin once a day this helps to prevent blood clotting. Tylenol in vikes really skews my liver enzymes, so i only use them when absolutely necessary and never take regular tylenol.
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i just started my baby asprin reg myself...rock on...
 
If you have a good relationship with your Doc, whay not go in, be honest and have the liver evaluation done?

Hepatitis, by definition, is simply inflammation of the liver. Most people think of viral causes for this, but it could be due to prolonged use of alcohol, liver toxic drugs, etc... Given the details that you've laid out here we both know that you have some level of inflammation going on. Is it fully hepatitic? Only the Dr can determine that and it's something you probably want to know.

You know that I have a lot of repect for you Buf and you've helped me out a lot, but you've been running sick dosages for over a year that I know of, maybe longer. I'd say get yourself a thorough exam and then make informed decisions from there.
 
Well 2R I never knew that.
My Dr is not cool. If I told him I'm using I would expect the cops to be waiting for me outside the office. So no way would I ever tell him anything.
I've been drinking a lot more water, will start some liver care soon, and cut off all orals.
 
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