do you believe in ghosts/spirits??

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Seriously. Theres been so many millions if not billions of people die allover this planet. I personally believe we carry a kindof energy, some which might be left behind when we die in certain circumstances. Or maybe it depends on the person? Whatever it is, anyone can agree that we dont know half as much as we think we know. About life and existance itself. So whose to say? Try to keep religion out of this (to avoid arguements)..even though I know it'll come in. Im more curious about personal experiences. Its funny...the more people you ask about these kindof things the more you start to realize how common it is. I started the same thread on a different site and got some very interesting stories and theories.
 
I believe that we don't even know a fraction about the paranormal. Some researchers in quantum mechanics as well as some schools of psychology believe that a single thought is as real as physical matter. It's very common that identical experiments in quantum mechanics have different results depending on weather the experiment is observed or not...strange.
 
article related 2 this thread lol

What Happens When We Die?

By M.J. STEPHEY Tue Sep 23, 6:40 PM ET

A fellow at New York City's Weill Cornell Medical Center, Dr. Sam Parnia is one of the world's leading experts on the scientific study of death. Last week Parnia and his colleagues at the Human Consciousness Project announced their first major undertaking: a 3-year exploration of the biology behind "out-of-body" experiences. The study, known as AWARE (AWAreness during REsuscitation), involves the collaboration of 25 major medical centers through Europe, Canada and the U.S. and will examine some 1,500 survivors of cardiac arrest. TIME spoke with Parnia about the project's origins, its skeptics and the difference between the mind and the brain.
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What sort of methods will this project use to try and verify people's claims of "near-death" experience?

When your heart stops beating, there is no blood getting to your brain. And so what happens is that within about 10 sec., brain activity ceases - as you would imagine. Yet paradoxically, 10% or 20% of people who are then brought back to life from that period, which may be a few minutes or over an hour, will report having consciousness. So the key thing here is, Are these real, or is it some sort of illusion? So the only way to tell is to have pictures only visible from the ceiling and nowhere else, because they claim they can see everything from the ceiling. So if we then get a series of 200 or 300 people who all were clinically dead, and yet they're able to come back and tell us what we were doing and were able see those pictures, that confirms consciousness really was continuing even though the brain wasn't functioning.

How does this project relate to society's perception of death?

People commonly perceive death as being a moment - you're either dead or you're alive. And that's a social definition we have. But the clinical definition we use is when the heart stops beating, the lungs stop working, and as a consequence the brain itself stops working. When doctors shine a light into someone's pupil, it's to demonstrate that there is no reflex present. The eye reflex is mediated by the brain stem, and that's the area that keeps us alive; if that doesn't work, then that means that the brain itself isn't working. At that point, I'll call a nurse into the room so I can certify that this patient is dead. Fifty years ago, people couldn't survive after that.

How is technology challenging the perception that death is a moment?

Nowadays, we have technology that's improved so that we can bring people back to life. In fact, there are drugs being developed right now - who knows if they'll ever make it to the market - that may actually slow down the process of brain-cell injury and death. Imagine you fast-forward to 10 years down the line; and you've given a patient, whose heart has just stopped, this amazing drug; and actually what it does is, it slows everything down so that the things that would've happened over an hour, now happen over two days. As medicine progresses, we will end up with lots and lots of ethical questions.

But what is happening to the individual at that time? What's really going on? Because there is a lack of blood flow, the cells go into a kind of a frenzy to keep themselves alive. And within about 5 min. or so they start to damage or change. After an hour or so the damage is so great that even if we restart the heart again and pump blood, the person can no longer be viable, because the cells have just been changed too much. And then the cells continue to change so that within a couple of days the body actually decomposes. So it's not a moment; it's a process that actually begins when the heart stops and culminates in the complete loss of the body, the decompositions of all the cells. However, ultimately what matters is, What's going on to a person's mind? What happens to the human mind and consciousness during death? Does that cease immediately as soon as the heart stops? Does it cease activity within the first 2 sec., the first 2 min.? Because we know that cells are continuously changing at that time. Does it stop after 10 min., after half an hour, after an hour? And at this point we don't know.

What was your first interview like with someone who had reported an out-of-body experience?

Eye-opening and very humbling. Because what you see is that, first of all, they are completely genuine people who are not looking for any kind of fame or attention. In many cases they haven't even told anybody else about it because they're afraid of what people will think of them. I have about 500 or so cases of people that I've interviewed since I first started out more than 10 years ago. It's the consistency of the experiences, the reality of what they were describing. I managed to speak to doctors and nurses who had been present who said these patients had told them exactly what had happened, and they couldn't explain it. I actually documented a few of those in my book What Happens When We Die because I wanted people to get both angles - not just the patients' side but also the doctors' side - and see how it feels for the doctors to have a patient come back and tell them what was going on. There was a cardiologist that I spoke with who said he hasn't told anyone else about it because he has no explanation for how this patient could have been able to describe in detail what he had said and done. He was so freaked out by it that he just decided not to think about it anymore.

Why do you think there is such resistance to studies like yours?

Because we're pushing through the boundaries of science, working against assumptions and perceptions that have been fixed. A lot of people hold this idea that, well, when you die, you die; that's it. Death is a moment - you know you're either dead or alive. All these things are not scientifically valid, but they're social perceptions. If you look back at the end of the 19th century, physicists at that time had been working with Newtonian laws of motion, and they really felt they had all the answers to everything that was out there in the universe. When we look at the world around us, Newtonian physics is perfectly sufficient. It explains most things that we deal with. But then it was discovered that actually when you look at motion at really small levels - beyond the level of the atoms - Newton's laws no longer apply. A new physics was needed, hence, we eventually ended up with quantum physics. It caused a lot of controversy - even Einstein himself didn't believe in it.

Now, if you look at the mind, consciousness, and the brain, the assumption that the mind and brain are the same thing is fine for most circumstances, because in 99% of circumstances we can't separate the mind and brain; they work at the exactly the same time. But then there are certain extreme examples, like when the brain shuts down, that we see that this assumption may no longer seem to hold true. So a new science is needed in the same way that we had to have a new quantum physics. The CERN particle accelerator may take us back to our roots. It may take us back to the first moments after the Big Bang, the very beginning. With our study, for the first time, we have the technology and the means to be able to investigate this. To see what happens at the end for us. Does something continue?
 
it's funny cuz a year or two ago i was in my room when i was hearing some growling noises..it damn near woke me up...as i listen closely i feel my bed shaking...little did i know i was doing doodoo in my pants...fukin late night taco bell damn near lit my ass on fire the next morning...

thats my paranormal state

hahahaha you seriously just killed the thread's seriousness
 
I dont beleive that peoples spirits are left to dwell on the earth.. I think that you either go to heaven or hell..Ive never seen a ghost or had any encounter soo untill I do ill stick with my theory.. On the other hand i do beleive places can be haunted just not from ghosts. Good and evil exists. I think the paranormal state has to do with demonic spirits.. Youd have to be crazy to mess around with ouija boards or anything like that.. If you invite the devil into your life he will jump at the chance
 
I dont beleive that peoples spirits are left to dwell on the earth.. I think that you either go to heaven or hell..Ive never seen a ghost or had any encounter soo untill I do ill stick with my theory.. On the other hand i do beleive places can be haunted just not from ghosts. Good and evil exists. I think the paranormal state has to do with demonic spirits.. Youd have to be crazy to mess around with ouija boards or anything like that.. If you invite the devil into your life he will jump at the chance
best post ever
 
I believe for sure
If we dont even know how the human brain functions and we cant even go to the deepest parts of the sea, how are we supposed to assume we know about things like ghosts and aliens?
 
I believe for sure
If we dont even know how the human brain functions and we cant even go to the deepest parts of the sea, how are we supposed to assume we know about things like ghosts and aliens?

that was me dressed as an alien when i probed u bro
 
Dude stop playing your little fukin video ganes and you'll see its all bullshit, fukin nerd.

No such thing as Locusts you 43 year old loser

Why so harsh? I believe in bigfoot and aliens so what? wanna fight about it? Fuckin Hobbit
 
Dude stop playing your little fukin video ganes and you'll see its all bullshit, fukin nerd.

No such thing as Locusts you 43 year old loser

theres an estimated 143 million universes and u are stupid enough to think we are the only thing around?

and locusts are real u idiot
 
Santeria and brujeria is where is at.

you fuck with me and i'll kill a rooster with your name on it.
 
"Youd have to be crazy to mess around with ouija boards or anything like that.. If you invite the devil into your life he will jump at the chance"\

Well Shiiit call me crazy then:)......Zerker
 
"Youd have to be crazy to mess around with ouija boards or anything like that.. If you invite the devil into your life he will jump at the chance"\

Well Shiiit call me crazy then:)......Zerker

I wouldn;t take that chance.. Why do people want to get into that shit i dont understand...
 
Are you universe is huge and there is a ton of galaxies but we dont have one peice of hard proof not even one microscopic piece of evidence.. People are willing to belief in aliens and ghosts but its too hard for them to beleif in god I dont get it
 
Are you universe is huge and there is a ton of galaxies but we dont have one peice of hard proof not even one microscopic piece of evidence.. People are willing to belief in aliens and ghosts but its too hard for them to beleif in god I dont get it
this is a smart man :)
 
o0o0o-weeeee....that was a good one to...i agree with black..smartest thing hes said since wat?? 06 when he got here

You can't be serious...you have 2.5k+ posts and I have yet to see anything from you worth while reading.

I have a very small amount of time to spend here everyday RF and to use it wading through your grammatically incorrect garbage isn't sitting well w/ me.

So, I'll give you a small peice of advice; If you want to mouth off, you might want to consider not insulting the Mods or your fellow Vets here @ AE. That is...if you'd like to stay. You give me one more excuse to ban your ass and your fucking gone.
 
I wouldn;t take that chance.. Why do people want to get into that shit i dont understand...


Because not all people are christians and are willing to delve into the unknown different views/beliefs/Gods Etc....not everyone believes in Jesus Christ...There is more than one way....trust me............Zerker
 
o0o0o-weeeee....that was a good one to...i agree with black..smartest thing hes said since wat?? 06 when he got here

your a fing idiot bro.. I wish your ass would get banned from here i thought you were a cool bro but your posts are all worthless.. Your just an annoying attention whore...
 
Because not all people are christians and are willing to delve into the unknown different views/beliefs/Gods Etc....not everyone believes in Jesus Christ...There is more than one way....trust me............Zerker

I understand were your coming from bro i dont just mean jesus though.. I think people just have more a romantic idea when it comes to aliens and ghosts and shit like that.. Theres something creepy and fasinating about them soo i think people almost want to beleive..
 
how am i suppose to know your joking.. You basically said all my posts have been worthless since i joined up.. sorry i dont act like a white nigger the most dispecable delsusional social group in america.. Your one of those white dudes who walks around and talks like your fucken black I cant just tell.. Nobody takes people like that serious because they dont even know who they are they cant fully indentify with anyone. Thats not how a man acts. Grow the fuck up
 
I dont mean this as a racist comment either.. black people talk that way cause thats how they were raised they live that kind of life.. But your obvisouly some rich kid poser
 
wow..this thread has already gone to shit. Thank you to the few people that actually are contributing to the discussion.


Are you universe is huge and there is a ton of galaxies but we dont have one peice of hard proof not even one microscopic piece of evidence.. People are willing to belief in aliens and ghosts but its too hard for them to beleif in god I dont get it

I believe in all 3 myself in different ways. Like you said, the universe is prety much endless. The human mind itself cannot possibly compehend the concept of its limits. What does the edge of the universe look like? What was here before the universe? The universe itself is existance/consciousness, how did it form from nothing? Its impossible really that were even here today. Thats what draws me to the paranormal. No matter what theories scientists come up with. Were a pin-point of water in an ocean. Realizing that, its easy to think there could be life somewhere else. What are the odds of there being one inhabited planet in all of the universe?
 
It is real, and the Bible warns about "playing in it". You want to take your chances messing with spirits and other shit you don't understand or can't comprehend, then you better be damn prepared for what comes your way.
 
I understand were your coming from bro i dont just mean jesus though.. I think people just have more a romantic idea when it comes to aliens and ghosts and shit like that.. Theres something creepy and fasinating about them soo i think people almost want to beleive..

Yeh the fact that its something mysterious and not understood drives some people,it comes from the unknown and wanting to believe there is more to this "exzistance" than meets the eye......I do believe in spirits and Good and Evil....UFOs,and bigfoot thats another story...LOL......Zerker
 
It is real, and the Bible warns about "playing in it". You want to take your chances messing with spirits and other shit you don't understand or can't comprehend, then you better be damn prepared for what comes your way.

Just thinking about that shit gives me a terrible vibe..
 
i believe in ghost. ghosting computers to change my ip what you know about that oly?
 

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