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Don?t seem to hear much about it anymore.
How many of you guys used it back in the day, either for it?s supposed bodybuilding benefits or so as not to drink alcohol?
Last time I used was around maybe 15 years ago to help me sleep but one time I took too much when I went out and had to get friends to carry me home.
 
Don’t seem to hear much about it anymore.
How many of you guys used it back in the day, either for it’s supposed bodybuilding benefits or so as not to drink alcohol?
Last time I used was around maybe 15 years ago to help me sleep but one time I took too much when I went out and had to get friends to carry me home.

Lmao. It’s funny, I never knew about it when it was sold otc. I have drank some a few times but was on so many other drugs I can’t really say what it did to me back then. My brother still sells and got popped with a bunch of it and meth when he passed out in an Uber last year. And that’s not the first time he did that either. Fucking 40 year old dumbass! No idea where he gets it but it’s still really big party drug in the gay community around here.
 
Lmao. It?s funny, I never knew about it when it was sold otc. I have drank some a few times but was on so many other drugs I can?t really say what it did to me back then. My brother still sells and got popped with a bunch of it and meth when he passed out in an Uber last year. And that?s not the first time he did that either. Fucking 40 year old dumbass! No idea where he gets it but it?s still really big party drug in the gay community around here.

Thats funny.
I remember when you could buy a ghb analog, gbl.
It was called renewtrient. It was very good.
I don?t know much about the health benefits. But I?m sure better sleep is good for growth.
 
Thats funny.
I remember when you could buy a ghb analog, gbl.
It was called renewtrient. It was very good.
I don?t know much about the health benefits. But I?m sure better sleep is good for growth.

Yeah, wasn?t GHB sold as growth hormone precursor or something originally? Then predators started using it as a date rape drug which led to it becoming illegal? Or was it people dying when they mixed it with alcohol? Lol. Stuff that actually works always become banned. Never heard of GBL. Renewtrient sounds familiar. I don?t sleep good at all. Even with my cpap machine I still don?t sleep well. It?s like I don?t start sleeping good until I?m sleeping for 4 hours already. By then I have to get up in an hour or two for work. Only time I get good sleep is on the weekends. I should try some but my brother is MIA right now. And I don?t really want to encourage his behavior right now either. Not that it would help.
 
ghb was supposedly the best recovery drug you could get - tried it but was not impressed - it never helped me sleep
 
In 90s in Florida we'd take a capful to kick in our mdma roll harder and faster...nobody was drinking alcohol back then so no worries...I won't fuck with it today...especially since the rolls are all double and molly is so strong and capped so high milligrams today compared to back then...and honestly the only time I can sleep no matter what I take is on the day after an all nighter
 
Sleep definitely comes at a premium so it seems. The best sleep is always after tossing and turning all night but then you finally sleep hard for an hour and have to wake up!

GBL is a ghb precursor, it quickly metabolizes into ghb which is how they were able to circumvent trouble from having actual ghb.
There is another precursor called 1,4 b-d, did the same thing. 20 years ago I bought a 5 gallon drum from an American company. Should have lasted me decades but of course it’s been gone for 15 years.

With sleep being so difficult especially when you get older, it would be nice to have a sleep aid that isn’t so addictive like benzos or hypnotics.
 
GHB or at least GBL is still around and still quite easy to get here in Europe. It's fun at first, but can quickly devolve into a bad habit. It can really seriously screw with your serotonin. Over the years, I've known GHB users to get in serious "trouble" and my home was not exempt. I can't go into details because it's not only my story. I have banned it from the house. Life has improved.

Here is a very descriptive report that should scare the shit out of anyone thinking about using GHB/GBL:


GHB ROLLER-COASTER: SEROTONIN SYNDROME AND WITHDRAWAL

Dina Bosnjak Kuharic, Jaksa Vukojevic, Nikola Zaja, Goran Arbanas & Antonia Puljic
University Psychiatric Hospital Vrapce, Zagreb, Croatia
received: 5.6.2019; revised: 11.7.2019; accepted: 27.8.2019

INTRODUCTION
Over the past decade, recreational drug gammahydroxybutyrate (GHB) drew the attention of clinicians worldwide due to its puzzling effects and a variety of
clinical presentations connected with GHB-intoxication (Kamal et al. 2017). Despite the substantial increase in published case reports (Drasbek et al. 2006, Gonzalez &
Nutt 2005, Zvosec et al. 2011), when compared to other club drugs, the prevalence of its use is still relatively low, while the complications of intoxication, withdrawal
syndrome and dependence are disproportionately high, usually requiring prolonged and intensive treatment (Dijkstra et al. 2017) and potentially leading to a fatal
outcome (Corkery et al. 2016). Several risk factors, including a history of polydrug dependence (Caputo et al. 2009), sleep disorders (Stein et al. 2011) and
psychiatric disorders, especially anxiety, depression and borderline personality disorder (Corkery et al. 2016, Dijkstra et al. 2017, Bornovalova et al. 2005) have been
identified for developing GHB dependence (Kamal et al. 2017). Additionally, the anxiolytic and antidepressant properties of GHB itself could contribute to its high
abuse potential (Kamal et al. 2017).
One of the most severe adverse effects of almost all antidepressants is serotonin syndrome, a condition characterized by a triad of altered mental status, autonomic dysfunction and neuromuscular abnormalities (Martin
1996). Laboratory findings may include liver impairment, renal impairment, leukocytosis and lower bicarbonate levels (Volpi-Abadie et al. 2013). As the diagnosis of serotonin syndrome is based only on clinical observation and exclusion of other medical conditions, the recognition of this potentially life-threatening condition that requires immediate medical care can be challenging, especially in emergency situations (Martin
1996). Serotonin syndrome is caused by excessive stimulation of serotonin receptors by high serotonin levels through direct serotonin receptor agonism, decreased serotonin breakdown, decreased reuptake of serotonin, increased release of serotonin or increased
synthesis of serotonin (Bartlett 2017). Apart from antidepressants, other medications that have serotonin agonist activity, e.g., analgesics, antibiotics, antimigraine medications, herbal supplements, and over-thecounter drugs can lead to the syndrome. When it comes to illicit drugs, serotonin syndrome is usually associated with amphetamine, methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) and cocaine (Bartlett 2017).
Here, we present the first case (to our knowledge) of serotonin syndrome following intoxication of GHB. Our aim was to describe this specific clinical presentation
and investigate possible mechanisms leading to it.

CASE REPORT
In May 2017, a 39-year-old man was admitted to an intensive care unit conscious, but non-responsive, with hyperpyrexia, diaphoresis, tachycardia, hypertension, and bowel hypermotility. His whole body was in extremely high tonus with clonus, tremor, and hyperreflexia with nystagmus, mydriasis, pupils without proper reaction to light. Additional information was obtained from his mother who stated that the patient’s condition deteriorated rapidly after taking a high dose of “droplets of happiness,” which is a name he used for GHB. He started to shiver and hallucinate, became agitated and
uncooperative, so his mother called medical emergency service. According to his past medical history, he was in an outpatient psychiatric care due to GHB-dependence
and occasional cannabis and ecstasy abuse, with insomnia and symptoms of depression mentioned as the main reasons for his frequent GHB-relapses. He was previously treated with 30 mg of mirtazapine, 900 mg of valproate and 15 mg of diazepam. The toxicology report was positive for GHB, nicotine, caffeine, benzodiazepines,
lidocaine, mirtazapine and traces of valproic acid.Laboratory tests showed leukocytosis, signs of liver impairment, electrolyte disturbance and rhabdomyolysis with signs of mild renal insufficiency (Table 1). Serotonin syndrome was suspected and continuous intravenous treatment with high doses of diazepam was started. During the next couple of days, he was unconscious, not reacting to stimuli, in muscular hypertonus with involuntary movements of his left hand and leg. By the fourth day of treatment, a total dose of 710 mg of diazepam was administered intravenously. His symptoms changed from those of serotonin syndrome to those of severe GHB withdrawal with psychotic symptoms. He was agitated, restless, disoriented, inadequate in communication, verbalizing delusions and hallucinations. A consultant psychiatrist recommended 15 mg of haloperidol daily and switching to peroral diazepam in a dose of 30 mg daily. On the eighth day of treatment, he was fully conscious and in a stable physical condition.
Although he could not recall all the details preceding intoxication, he stated that he mistakenly drank a large sip of undiluted GHB after taking his usual diluted dose. During the past months, his daily dose was up to two bottles of GHB (one bottle containing
20 ml), diluted with juice and taken in divided doses about 15 times a day. He verbalized motivation for treatment of GHB-dependence and was transferred
to a psychiatric unit.

DISCUSSION
Having a versatile pharmacological profile with direct or indirect effects on four major neurotransmitters (Kamal et al. 2016), GHB can lead to various clinical presentations and show intricate interactions with other medications. GHB has been shown to have a positive effect on serotonin (Kamal et al. 2017, Gobaille et al. 2002), whether by increasing tryptophan reuptake and potentiating serotonin turnover (Gobaille et al. 2002, Hedner & Lundborg 1983), or whether by indirectly acting through GABAB and dopamine activity mediated via the serotonergic dorsal raphe nucleus (Burman et al.
2003, Ferr? & Artigas 1993). In the case of our patient who reported previous excessive use of GHB, intoxication with high doses of GHB could have increased serotonin levels and cause adverse effects in the form of serotonin syndrome followed by a severe GHB-withdrawal syndrome. Moreover, the uncommon way of GHB consummation as a concentrated liquid prior to the development of symptoms could also influenced this
specific presentation.
When it comes to other mechanisms that could lead to the development of serotonin syndrome in this particular case, we have considered the use and/or abuse of mirtazapine as a potential contributor. According to previous literature, different antidepressants can increase the risk for serotonin syndrome, and GHB users seem to
be prone to abuse different illicit drugs and medications to relieve their symptoms (Kamal et al. 2017). As the main reasons for using “droplets of happiness” and other illicit drugs (combined or separately) were depression and insomnia, in the case of our patient we cannot rule out the possibility of antidepressant misuse as a part of
his self-treatment as well. However, while there are some reports connecting mirtazapine with serotonin syndrome (Ubogu & Katirji 2003, Hern?ndez et al.
2002), this theory has many ambiguities and is still not widely accepted (Isbister & Whyte 2003). We cannot be sure that mirtazapine had influence on this presentation,
nor alone nor through a possible interaction with GHB.
Additionally, problems with diagnosing serotonin syndrome could also contribute to the complexity of our case. In other words, serotonin syndrome is considered to be an under-diagnosed condition as its diagnosis usually relies only on clinical presentation and exclusion of other possibilities, without specific diagnostic methods’ results (Martin 1996). Therefore, it is possible that other drug-induced syndromes can mimic serotonin syndrome, and especially in cases like this, with multidrug use and abuse, these other syndromes should be taken into consideration. Anticholinergic poisoning, malignant
hyperthermia, neuroleptic malignant syndrome and sympathomimetic poisoning were differential diagnosis possibilities in this case (Martin 1996, Volpi-Abadie et al. 2013), but each of these was excluded due to characteristic symptoms present in our case. Rapid development of symptoms including altered mental status (from confusion and agitation to loss of consciousness), neuromuscular (e.g. tremor, hyperreflexia, high tonus and clonus) and autonomic symptoms (e.g. mydriasis, tachycardia, tachypnea, diaphoresis), and abnormal laboratory tests results (Table 1) led to the diagnosis of serotonin syndrome in our case.
This case is unique as it is the first to describe the development of serotonin syndrome after GHB-intoxication. Considering the polydrug misuse and the comorbid psychiatric conditions in GHB users, in addition to the rising prevalence of GHB use, one must bare in mind the array of possible pharmacological interactions and clinical presentations that can be seen in both GHB intoxication and withdrawal. Although GHB-intoxication
could lead to a variety of severe complications, GHB is still not a part of the routine toxicology testing. This, in addition to the observation that serotonin syndrome is frequently unrecognized condition, can result in a prolongation of time for reaching the right diagnosis and starting the adequate treatment in emergency cases where the time is usually lacking. Therefore, when GHB-intoxication is suspected, clinicians should be aware of all possible life-threatening differential diagnosis, including serotonin syndrome, to provide adequate and immediate care and to avoid possible fatal outcome.

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Correspondence:
Dina Bosnjak Kuharic, MD, PhD
University Psychiatric Hospital Vrapce, Department for diagnostics and intensive care
Bolnicka cesta 32, 10 090 Zagreb, Croatia
E-mail: [email protected]
 

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