How many have restless legs when trying to fall asleep?

[Lokedogg]

I've had it every single night for at least 5 years. It's like right when my body and brain go to sleep, my legs start waking up! It's as if they're evil and I don't own them. So fucking annoying...

 

[Scotsmark]

Do they move suddenly and wake you up or do they shake a bit when you're falling asleep?

 

[Lokedogg]

Do they move suddenly and wake you up or do they shake a bit when you're falling asleep?

All of the above! I crawl into bed like I'm gonna just pass out: minds closing down, bodies tired, feel totally comfortable and relaxed and just as I'm about to fall out!!Boom!!! They start! I read a thing about a possible cause is an iron defenciency in part of the brain . So while there is may be no indication of low iron in the body, uptake of iron in the brain doesn't occur as it should. Of course there are several other suspected causes. There is just that established link to the whole ordeal isolating an actual biochemical imbalance.

 

[John Benz]

Loke, Not sure if this is relevant, but I copied this article a couple of years ago from Maximus, a moderator at Animal's old board. In real life he is a renowned chiropractor and owns his own clinic. He and I have discussed the various ratios of Calcium and Magnesium in relation to nervous disorders and most current studies show that the 2:1 Cal/Mag ratio (The ratio almost always found in nature) is outdated for therapeutic use as most people need a far greater ratio of Magnesium. I now buy Solaray 1:1 for Sarah and myself. All the cells in the body require sufficient calcium every day and for every mg calcium you should have the same number in units Vit D (Cod Liver Oil). Calcium has a calming effect on the body but Magnesium more directly affects the nervous system.

Now let me tell you what i do in my practice. 10 years and about 12,000 cases. Does that make me an expert, I think so, but argue if you want.

First Fish oil is the gold standard in reduction of inflammation through the entire body. Why? EPA inhibits 5 desaturase from converting DHGLA to arachidonic acid and then blocks the COX 2 step to convert to prostaglandin E2, thromboxanes, and blocks 5LOX from making leukotrienes.

If anyone wants to argue with my about lipid biochemistry then we can do that.

Next insulin shunts EPA's inhibition of this enzyme so eating lots of starchy or sugary foods increases OMEGA 6 conversion to DHGLA- AA- PE2 - Leukotrienes.

The oils are both good. The reason flax works well is because of the lignans, and not so much its EFA profile. Lignans also block DHGLA. Fish oil works by brute force of EPA.

Both are good but for different reasons.

That being said I use Fish oil becuase many individuals need EPA and DHA for brains, joints skin et all and have an abundance of Omega 6 fats in their diets already.

It also takes 5 enzymes to convert ALA to EPA and another couple of enzymes to Convery EPA to DHA. So i bypass the entire system and give fish oil which supplies the EFA already.

Too many Omega 6 fats , which are found in flax, overpower the Omega 3 side and the ratio gets out of tilt.

So for joints its a pickem-- both work, for brains its a fish oil blowout.

That being said, i think Flax is still a healthy oil, and is a great replacement for individuals who cant or wont do fish oil.

both inhibit inflammation, but the research shows that EPA in fish oil is the gold standard, and there are about 1000 or so studies showing its effectiveness.

I also use fish oil, not necessarily cod liver oil , for neurological disorders due to the high DHA level. I have had remarkable success with Manic Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Depression, Learning difficulties, ADHD, Alzeimers, Dementia and Cognitive disorders including aphasia.

So. you guys put down the guns. If someone is doing high dose flax and having success then good. Flax works well for menapausal women, the lignans help.

I still use fish oil in tandem with Flax for the nervous system.

 

[John Benz]

All of the above! I crawl into bed like I'm gonna just pass out: minds closing down, bodies tired, feel totally comfortable and relaxed and just as I'm about to fall out!!Boom!!! They start! I read a thing about a possible cause is an iron defenciency in part of the brain . So while there is may be no indication of low iron in the body, uptake of iron in the brain doesn't occur as it should. Of course there are several other suspected causes. There is just that established link to the whole ordeal isolating an actual biochemical imbalance.

Another forgotten supplement is dessicated liver, which supplies one of the most readily assimable sources of heme-iron to be found, probably absorbed better than any iron tablet.

 

[ajdos]

Hawthorne Berry is a good one too- alot of peoples legs dont get good blood flow when they lay down to sleep, so the body in order to increase the flow has the legs move, it gets more blood back into them, L-arginine, and Hawthorne can really help increase blood flow and circulation.

 

[makaveli25]

restless legs suck. I get them sometime. When I withdrawed from opiates it lasted months. Isn't there a mediciine for it.

 

[P. Bateman]

There's prescription medication for that! Drugs for everything baby.

 

[2BIGFRED]

I get it too but its usually when I dont take my pain meds for a few days

 

[stunner69]

Loke, Not sure if this is relevant, but I copied this article a couple of years ago from Maximus, a moderator at Animal's old board. In real life he is a renowned chiropractor and owns his own clinic. He and I have discussed the various ratios of Calcium and Magnesium in relation to nervous disorders and most current studies show that the 2:1 Cal/Mag ratio (The ratio almost always found in nature) is outdated for therapeutic use as most people need a far greater ratio of Magnesium. I now buy Solaray 1:1 for Sarah and myself. All the cells in the body require sufficient calcium every day and for every mg calcium you should have the same number in units Vit D (Cod Liver Oil). Calcium has a calming effect on the body but Magnesium more directly affects the nervous system.

without proper amounts Magnesium the human body cant properly use Calcium

 

[mrhtbd]

.

 

[jaymaan]

I actually get it when I get really tired and fighting to stay awake. I used to get it when going to sleep but it changed around 40.

 

[liftsiron]

It's actually considered a medical problem if it interferes with sleep, Doctors refer to it "restless leg syndrome".

 

[Thate]

folic acid has been known to help