Our National Healthcare Plan in laymans terms

[Ms.Wetback]

From CMS at FreeRepublic.com:

? Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!

? Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

? Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

? Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

? Page 42: The ?Health Choices Commissioner? will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

? Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

? Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

? Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

? Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

? Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

? Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

? Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

? Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

? Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

? Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No ?judicial review? is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

? Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

 

[Scotsmark]

Is this like the free healthcare available in the UK? I watched Michael Moore's "Sicko" and was shocked by what I saw. Just think though, if you didn't have NASA you could all have free healthcare!

 

[liftsiron]

From CMS at FreeRepublic.com:

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the government option!

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

• Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

lol, this is so much bullshit!!!! Not the House nor Senate has even submitted a completed health plan, now there on august recess and the health plan sits in limbo...until who knows when. Anyone who believes crap like this doesn't watch the news.

 

[Ms.Wetback]

lol, this is so much bullshit!!!! Not the House nor Senate has even submitted a completed health plan, now there on august recess and the health plan sits in limbo...until who knows when. Anyone who believes crap like this doesn't watch the news.

Here is the link: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

 

[liftsiron]

Here is the link: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

That appears to be a draft from the Committee on Energy and Commerce, one of three major house committees working on the national health bill, it is by no means of a final draft, it needs to coincide with the proposed bills by the other two committees, then go to the Senate where changes will be made then back to the house then back to the Senate, then to the president for his signature, the president may return the bill back to the congress with more proposed changes. At this time no one has any idea what a final national health care bill will look like or what it will contain. Virtually everything is up in the air at this point.

 

[JrMaFia]

I own a small business and this will basically break us.

 

[Ms.Wetback]

That appears to be a draft from the Committee on Energy and Commerce, one of three major house committees working on the national health bill, it is by no means of a final draft, it needs to coincide with the proposed bills by the other two committees, then go to the Senate where changes will be made then back to the house then back to the Senate, then to the president for his signature, the president may return the bill back to the congress with more proposed changes. At this time no one has any idea what a final national health care bill will look like or what it will contain. Virtually everything is up in the air at this point.

I know it is in its preliminary stages for certain. But those posted issues have been spoken about and mentioned. point being if it goes through in almost any form we are f*cked.

 

[liftsiron]

I know it is in its preliminary stages for certain. But those posted issues have been spoken about and mentioned. point being if it goes through in almost any form we are f*cked.

I believe many of the points listed are entirely false and won't be in any final plan. Remember the health insurance industry is spending 1.4 mil. each and everyday to put out false information against a national health plan, and with good reason this past year they reaped record profits, while they continue to raise rates at approx 400% the rate of inflation.

 

[Ms.Wetback]

I believe many of the points listed are entirely false and won't be in any final plan. Remember the health insurance industry is spending 1.4 mil. each and everyday to put out false information against a national health plan, and with good reason this past year they reaped record profits, while they continue to raise rates at approx 400% the rate of inflation.

Valid point.............I am just very skeptical on anything this administration has to offer. There has been so many things already done that has hurt our country on a whole. I guess all we can really do is wait and see, we don't really have much say in what gets pushed through, it is all big money and corps controlling it.

 

[bigkarch]

my parents owned a business and said even then (back in the 90's), health care cost them a lot...now this would have broken them....

 

[liftsiron]

Valid point.............I am just very skeptical on anything this administration has to offer. There has been so many things already done that has hurt our country on a whole. I guess all we can really do is wait and see, we don't really have much say in what gets pushed through, it is all big money and corps controlling it.

Please elaborate, name some of the many things this admin. has done to harm this country.

 

[Supes25]

This shits scary as someone who has an on going problem that needs sugeries ( within the last year ive had 5 major and a few touchups) tons of medication and specialists. you would have a much higher chance of death.
This thing better not go through or besides all the fucking debt it will occur our healthcare system will go to shit.

 

[Supes25]

I strongly believe the system must change, the above surgeries along cost more than 1 million dollars, without my current insurance i could never have paid for these and wouldnt be around!! I understand regulation, oversite, bulk perscription pricing. none of the plans being looked at are ones that will work for our society, it must be adaptive to work.

 

[Ms.Wetback]

Please elaborate, name some of the many things this admin. has done to harm this country.

#1 - debt, debt and more debt
#2 - Unnecessary govt intervention into the private sector
#3 - Lying ie: "If you pass this stimulus package unemployment wont surpass 8%"
#4 - Expansion of govt
#5 - Manipulating the stock market by imposing new unfair rules and laws
#6- Cash for Clunkers embarrassment that the tax payers foot the bill on. Requesting another $2 BILLION for the program.

I could go on............he sux, period. Our country is sinking faster now than ever before. Bush wasn't by any means good, but Obama is worse and his narcissistic personality makes it even worse.

 

[liftsiron]

#1 - debt, debt and more debt

Debt???? You mean 1.4 trillion budget deficit inherited from the Bush admin?

#2 - Unnecessary govt intervention into the private sector
Like into the FAILED banking sector?
#3 - Lying ie: "If you pass this stimulus package unemployment wont surpass 8%"

Only 25% of the approved stimulus money has been spent so far.

#4 - Expansion of govt

Examples please.

#5 - Manipulating the stock market by imposing new unfair rules and laws

It was Wall street that caused the problems in the first place, imo intervention was sorely needed. We are paying 2.00 a gallon for gas this summer than last because hedge fund operators feel some heat.

#6- Cash for Clunkers embarrassment that the tax payers foot the bill on. Requesting another $2 BILLION for the program.

Most experts agree that this was a good program.

I could go on............he sux, period. Our country is sinking faster now than ever before. Bush wasn't by any means good, but Obama is worse and his narcissistic personality makes it even worse.

As far as our country sinking faster than before, I find that statement ludicrous.

During the last election out of the 100 counties with the highest education level per capita, 78 voted Obama, out of the 100 counties with the absolute lowest education per capitia 88 voted McCain, sort of sets a pattern.

 

[Ms.Wetback]

As far as our country sinking faster than before, I find that statement ludicrous.

During the last election out of the 100 counties with the highest education level per capita, 78 voted Obama, out of the 100 counties with the absolute lowest education per capitia 88 voted McCain, sort of sets a pattern.

Yes it does, the higher educated know that Obama is easier to manipulate.

 

[liftsiron]

Yes it does, the higher educated know that Obama is easier to manipulate.

lol, I thought that it was that the under educated were easier to? Anyhow we just have to wait and see what happens, a person either has one political view point or another, just like religion.:ruggie:

 

[Ms.Wetback]

lol, I thought that it was that the under educated were easier to? Anyhow we just have to wait and see what happens, a person either has one political view point or another, just like religion.:ruggie:

I agree completely. We shall see how it plays out. And not to dis Obama, but I believe either him or McCain would have been screwed with what they inherited, our debt load will eventually sink us.

 

[KB91Notch347]

#1 - debt, debt and more debt
#2 - Unnecessary govt intervention into the private sector
#3 - Lying ie: "If you pass this stimulus package unemployment wont surpass 8%"
#4 - Expansion of govt
#5 - Manipulating the stock market by imposing new unfair rules and laws
#6- Cash for Clunkers embarrassment that the tax payers foot the bill on. Requesting another $2 BILLION for the program.

I could go on............he sux, period. Our country is sinking faster now than ever before. Bush wasn't by any means good, but Obama is worse and his narcissistic personality makes it even worse.

Great post! This Cash for Clunkers is nothing but welfare. Next are they going to have people break windows so that the glass manufacturers and labor get some TEMPORARY work?

KB

 

[mrhtbd]

As far as our country sinking faster than before, I find that statement ludicrous.

During the last election out of the 100 counties with the highest education level per capita, 78 voted Obama, out of the 100 counties with the absolute lowest education per capitia 88 voted McCain, sort of sets a pattern.

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