Supplements for Depression

  • Thread starter Thread starter future
  • Start date Start date
F

future

Guest
Supplements for Depression
By Andrew Novick

L-Tyrosine

L-Tyrosine is an amino acid naturally found in food that serves as the precursor to the neurotransmitters dopamine and noradrenaline. A deficit in dopaminergic and/or noradrenergic activity is implicated in depressions involving lack of energy and motivation (1) and it is here where L-tyrosine might be the most helpful in dosages of 3.2g/day (2). L-tyrosine?s antidepressant effect by itself is modest because the rate-limiting enzyme in dopamine synthesis, (tyrosine hydroxylase) is normally 75% saturated (3). This minimizes possible benefits from extra consumption of L-tyrosine. Probably due to this biochemical barrier, in a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial, L-tyrosine failed to show significant antidepressant activity (4).

However, just because L-Tyrosine might not be an effective antidepressant on its own does not mean it has no place in an antidepressant regimen. More evidence exists for the efficacy of L-Tyrosine when combined with other antidepressant compounds. For example, L-Tyrosine can potentiate increases in dopamine from methylphenidate, better known as Ritalin (5). L-Tyrosine can also potentiate the antidepressant effect of 5-HTP (6).

DL-Phenylalanine

L-Phenylalanine is converted to L-tyrosine by the enzyme phenylalanine hydroxylase. So why not just take L-Tyrosine and avoid the extra metabolic conversion? Well, what makes the therapeutic possibilities of L-Phenylalanine different from that of L-Tyrosine is its ability to convert to phenylethylamine (PEA) via decarboxylation. PEA is an endogenous trace amine with behavioral effects similar to amphetamine (6). Because PEA is rapidly degraded by the enzyme MAO-B, it is unknown whether supplementation with L-Phenylalanine has any mood-modulating effects relevant to increases in PEA. However, when given concurrently with the MAO-B inhibitor deprenyl, L-Phenylalanine leads to increases in brain PEA levels and produces a rapid antidepressant response (8). L-Phenylalanine by itself might also have antidepressant properties, albeit at higher dosages of 14g/day (9).

D-Phenylalanine has demonstrated antidepressant efficacy without an MAOI in dosages as low as 200mg/day (10). D-phenylalanine can also inhibit the enzymes responsible for the degradation of endorphins (11) and increase the pain relieving effects of acupuncture and narcotics (12,13). Here it appears that D-phenylalanine is the more active isomer. Unfortunately, D-phenylalanine is not available as a sold-alone dietary supplement. However, preparations containing a 50:50 mix of the D and L versions are common. There is no evidence suggesting that L-phenylalanine interferes with the effects of D-phenylalanine.

5-Hydroxytryptophan

5-Hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) is the immediate precursor to serotonin. Unlike L-tyrosine conversion to dopamine, 5-HTP is not subject to the rate limiting step in serotonin synthesis. 5-HTP is an effective supplement at raising serotonin levels in humans (14). A meta-analysis of studies on 5-Hydroxytryptophan for depression failed to find positive results due to the low amount of placebo-controlled studies (15). However, various open studies as well as some placebo-controlled studies have demonstrated that 5-HTP is an effective antidepressant in dosages from 50-300mg/day (16).

Fish Oils

Omega-3 fatty acids found mainly in fish are well known for their benefits in aiding weight loss, protecting the cardiovascular system, and improving inflammatory conditions. Omega-3?s can also be effective antidepressants. Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) are the two omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil. While depressed patients often exhibit low levels of DHA (21), a trial with sole DHA therapy failed to improve depressive symptoms significantly (18). EPA appears to have more promise, especially as an adjunct therapy to prescription antidepressants in dosages of 2g/day (22,23).

The anti-inflammatory nature of omega-3 fatty acids might be responsible for their antidepressant activity. Major depression is often accompanied by an increase in pro-inflammatory cytokines and prostaglandins (19) and a diet rich in omega-3 fatty acids can reduce levels of these chemicals (20).

Inositol

Inositol is a precursor to an important second messenger system in the brain that helps regulate serotonin receptors (27). Depressed patients show decreased levels of inositol in spinal fluid (24) while mood stabilizers such as lithium and sodium valproate reduce levels of inositol in the brain, as manic people often show elevated myo-inositol (25). Inositol at dosages of 18g/day has been found to be an effective treatment for depression, obsessive-compulsive disorder and panic disorder (26). However, newer research has been less conclusive about inositol?s efficacy, as it has failed to show significant effects when used as an add-on strategy to antidepressants (27).

Conclusions

These are just a few of the many nutritional supplements that have application to depression and mental health. Because the nature of depression varies so much from person to person, care must be taken when picking the proper supplement. Atypical depressives who suffer from lack of energy may benefit from using L-tyrosine and/or DLPA. 5-HTP and Inositol may be more helpful in situations where anxiety is a primary concern. Fish Oil probably has application to all subtypes of depression.

These supplements can be combined with antidepressants, although caution should be exercised when combining 5-HTP with an SSRI or MAOI as it could result in serotonin syndrome. For those looking to augment a prescription antidepressant, picking a supplement that affects a different receptor complex than the antidepressant could provide additional benefits. For example, those on SSRI?s like Prozac or Zoloft may wish to use L-tyrosine or DLPA to activate the dopaminergic/noradrenergic system. Similarly, those on a drug that already affects the catecholamines such as Wellbutrin, could add 5-HTP. The recent trend in antidepressant pharmacology is that hitting multiple neurotransmitter systems is better than affecting only one (29). However, many people with depression have specific symptoms that call for specialized treatment rather than a shot-gun approach.

Those looking for consistent regimen for overall mental health can combine (cautiously) the supplements mentioned above. Here?s an example dosage scheme:

Fish Oils 6g/day
DLPA 500mg (3 times a day)
5-HTP 50mg (3 times a day)
Inositol 4g (3 times a day)

Although these supplements are very well tolerated, one should add one compound at a time, starting at a low dose in order to avoid side-effects.
 
hey bro,

ill b honest, in my expierence, its just all the pills that keep u ocupied....& in the long run its not worth it....its just better workin it out ur self

ive lived with this in a baaaaaaaad baaaaaaaad way.....ive delt with this all my life & ive just found that a run, bike ride, anythin 2 get outa that will do u good as far as gettin out & just *lettin it go will do*....pills just add 2 everything

i understand that ur just passin out info & im just tossin in mine....
 
future...good article, thanks

Cylo, I would just like to say that being diagnosed with clinical depression is not something to be taken lightly...it's great that you didn't require any medication, but for some people to live a normal life, they HAVE to. I suffer from depression...I tried various things before I had to resort to prescription medication. Now when I feel down, etc...yes, I can go for a walk, whatever, to get me thru...but before, I wanted to lay down and die. If it wasn't for me being a psychiatric nurse and knowing what I did, I may very well have been in a much worse way than I was.

I don't mean for any of this to sound snotty....I always feel the need to try and educate people more about depression becasue I have seen so much, and how it can ruin people's lives and the lives of their famillies...and I know personally what it's like.

More info than most of you'd like to know about me..lol..but I'm like that, I'm not one bit ashamed...I don't go around advertising it, but when the need arises, I tell people. A lot more people out there need to take better care of what's going on in their heads than they do their bodies.
 
I got a BIG problem, that everytime doctors turn around they want to give out depression medicine. 3 TIMES a doctor has tried to give it to my wife, and it was never even for depression. I remember one time it was supposedly gonna help with her blood pressure, she has extremely low blood pressure. He told her it would help. BULLSHIT, one of the side effects: "could cause blood pressure to drop".............to drop??? She already has low blood pressure.

If anyone here is a doctor I appologize, but the ones I have dealt with in my area are jackasses. I seeing why they are called practioners, that is because they "PRACTICE" on you and me.
 
There are certain antidepressants that have other uses, yes....but a very common side effect of antidepressants is hypotension...any decent doctor should know that. I hope she finds a better one.
 
Okay folks, depression is serious - people who suffer from depression have a much higher rate of suicide. Clinical depression is not something you can just get over - cognitive therapy is great but you have to work at it. Antidepressants can and do work but you have to find the one that works for you individually (in conjunction with your doctor).

Secondary problem - treatment resistant depression is often really Bipolar (Manic Depression) those who experience true mania are at least twice as likely to kill themselves as those who only suffer with depression. In addition folks who are bipolar will get WORSE on antidepressants - that can mean spending money impulsively, promiscuous sex, substance abuse (often attempts to self medicate), irratability(extreme). In which case it is not depression but likely Bipolar and it needs meds (mood stabalizers) almost always.

I am not a doctor but I am a psychotherapist and I treat folks like this almost every day.

Future, your post was great (as usual!) and I was going to jump in with the list you already provided. It works great for minor depressions and perhaps even some that are more severe.

If you are depressed - see a doctor and a psychotherapist - hopefully ones that will work together.

back to clinical depression for a minute - if you suffer from one bout the treatment should be 1 year of antidepressants, if two bouts treatment is 3 years, if three bouts lifetime antidepressant treatment is prudent because of the increased risk of relapse and the increased severity of the depression in subsequent bouts.

The big problem is that most doctors don't really have all this down. And because people are different it can take time to find the right med or mix of meds in the case of bipolar individuals. Bipolars think they ought to be able to do it on thier own which usually leads to relapse often including substance abuse with drugs like methamphetamine.

I could go on and on... wait, I have gone on and on. So I will stop now.

As iron Girl said... it is serious!

SuperChicken1
 
cylo said:
hey bro,

ill b honest, in my expierence, its just all the pills that keep u ocupied....& in the long run its not worth it....its just better workin it out ur self

ive lived with this in a baaaaaaaad baaaaaaaad way.....ive delt with this all my life & ive just found that a run, bike ride, anythin 2 get outa that will do u good as far as gettin out & just *lettin it go will do*....pills just add 2 everything

i understand that ur just passin out info & im just tossin in mine....

I think alot of people were dispute what you are saying. And my thread was about natural helps not just leading someone to a pharm. I take meds for my epilepsy...my brain just doesnt fire correctly. The same one some people have low levels of seretonin. Now, should be work on their problems? Absolutely. Pills aren't an end all no matter what they are. BUT SAYING YOU SHOULD WORK ON IT YOURSELF? Maybe for some but I would always recommend a counselor or pastor to talk with. Any actualy drug you are taking for depression, anxiety etc SHOULD have counseling along with it.

I understand you have your own experience but dont discount others as well.
 
goes4ever said:
I got a BIG problem, that everytime doctors turn around they want to give out depression medicine. 3 TIMES a doctor has tried to give it to my wife, and it was never even for depression. I remember one time it was supposedly gonna help with her blood pressure, she has extremely low blood pressure. He told her it would help. BULLSHIT, one of the side effects: "could cause blood pressure to drop".............to drop??? She already has low blood pressure.

If anyone here is a doctor I appologize, but the ones I have dealt with in my area are jackasses. I seeing why they are called practioners, that is because they "PRACTICE" on you and me.

Again, an ignorant doctor doesnt discount the good treatments. Just keep looking for the right doctor. They are out there. Just like any occupation. You would think that they are all great but it isnt so. I went through a few doctors for my epilepsy as well. One didnt even think I had it. Odd.
 
Well said future!

People who have not experienced things like depression really can't understand. It seems reasonable to say just get over it - but it takes a lot of work to change your thinking and in most cases a lot of outside help.

I had no idea I had chronic depression (dysthymia) until my first divorce, I was suicidal then and it seemed that was the best part. I had three doctors send me to a theripist and almost demand I start an antidepressant. Within a month I noticed that life was not so bad after all! I also realized that I had been moderately depressed my whole life.

My second wife demanded I go off the antidepressants because her first husband was taking them and was a psychopathic cop. They kept me from acting psyco. This relationship in part lead to my second bout of major depression. Back on the meds...all was well.

Third wife - thought I should just be able to do it on my own, I was weak for taking the meds... so being not to intelligent at times I went off a third time... went two years before the third bout of major depression. I'm taking them for the duration... I do not like the feeling of depression at all.

Now I am a therapist myself. I help people with depression, bipolar, substance abuse, marital problems, etc. As a therapist I can not prescribe drugs, however my biggest successes have been working with the client and their doctor to get thier brain chemistry dialed in. I do a lot of talk therapy, mostly cognitive therapy but for some they absolutely need the meds. Hang with a schizophrenic who won't take thier meds for a few years - they do not choose to act crazy - but they do it because of out of whack brain chemistry.

BTW my wife later had a bout of major depression and she doesn't bug me about the meds any more. She now understands.

SuperChicken1
 
irongirl said:
future...good article, thanks

Cylo, I would just like to say that being diagnosed with clinical depression is not something to be taken lightly...it's great that you didn't require any medication, but for some people to live a normal life, they HAVE to. I suffer from depression...I tried various things before I had to resort to prescription medication. Now when I feel down, etc...yes, I can go for a walk, whatever, to get me thru...but before, I wanted to lay down and die. If it wasn't for me being a psychiatric nurse and knowing what I did, I may very well have been in a much worse way than I was.

I don't mean for any of this to sound snotty....I always feel the need to try and educate people more about depression becasue I have seen so much, and how it can ruin people's lives and the lives of their famillies...and I know personally what it's like.

More info than most of you'd like to know about me..lol..but I'm like that, I'm not one bit ashamed...I don't go around advertising it, but when the need arises, I tell people. A lot more people out there need to take better care of what's going on in their heads than they do their bodies.

no worries, but in all honesty its just works 4 me....i didnt say it would 4 every1....infact i wouldnt recomend it....but i dont wana b takin happy pills all my life....i was @ 1 time way beyond a manic depressive guy....but i duno i just kept it 2 my self & just delt with it....but like i said, it was somethin that i wouldnt tell some else in that same spot 2 do
 
future said:
Pills aren't an end all no matter what they are. BUT SAYING YOU SHOULD WORK ON IT YOURSELF? Maybe for some but I would always recommend a counselor or pastor to talk with. Any actualy drug you are taking for depression, anxiety etc SHOULD have counseling along with it.

I understand you have your own experience but dont discount others as well.

o i dont @ all....i was just tryin 2 explain what i did....i def wouldnt suggest it 2 some 1 else....it was someethin that i kept a secret & i delt with on my own....im not sayin it was the best choice ha, but i did get through it :buff:
 
Back
Top