The Cutting Primer

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The Cutting Primer
By rambo @anabolicreview.com

It?s about time we had a decent full length post on cutting?
Let?s get a few things straight?
1. All of the insights I?m about to provide are not person-specific. What that means is that it is a general guideline, not a bible.
2. I truly do believe that bodybuilding is 80% diet. You can lift your arse off daily, and still look horrible if you aren?t eating right.
3. You are what you eat. It?s just that simple.

The BASICS-1.Postworkout Nutrition- I?m a firm believer that PWO nutrition is hands down the most important aspect of dieting. It is within the 15 minutes after a workout that your body is in dire need of nutrients. It is a completely anabolic state, and what you take in can be optimized to ensure maximum results. A general rule of thumb is 40-60 grams whey protein, and double the amount of whey in carbohydrates (50% dextrose/50% maltodextrin).

2. Carbs- You are **** right, carbs. In a strict cutting diet the majority of your carbs should come in the form of PWO nutrition, and the remainder in breakfast. Fibrous veggies are a staple, but keep in mind that they don?t count towards intake, as they have negligible impacts on blood sugar levels. (Exceptions: Carrots, Peas) All high glycemic carbs outside of PWO should be avoided. The best sources of low GI carbs can be found in oatmeal and brown rice, as well as yams.

3. Protein- You need tons. 1.5-2.0 grams per pound of lean bodyweight is a good general rule of thumb. You should take in a good portion of your protein in the source of real meals, avoid intaking too many shakes, as real food comes to a better benefit. The list foods with high protein bioavailability is extensive, and I will only cover a few, (Egg whites, Lean steak, Chicken breast, the list goes on forever?.).

4. Fats- Guess what? You need fat to lose fat. We are talking about the granddaddy of fats, the EFA (Essential Fatty Acid). Good sources of fat are ( Flax Oil, Nuts, Salmon, Olive Oil).

5. The Separation of Carbs and Fats- This is a hotly debated issue, but again, in my opinion, an important aspect nonetheless. Remember that it is often when you eat items and with what you eat them that is more important than what you are eating. A mouthful, I know, but stay with me. Remember that when you take in certain carbs, you can spike your insulin levels. If you are taking in fats when your insulin has been spiked, you are allowing the basic laws of physiology to act out, and you allow for a higher propensity for fat storage. Separation is key. The sample diet will give a good example of how to separate them.

6. Supplements-
Glutamine: Helps prevent catabolism when cutting. Best used in dosages of 10grams daily, 5 grams before cardio, 5 grams at another interval, but not after workout as it fights for absorption with the glutamine peptides in whey.
ALA/R-ALA- Gets my supplement of the day award. R-ALA is effective in lowering the spike of insulin when certain carbs are consumed. I could give you a dissertation on the stereoentisomeric properties of the R, but all you need to know is that it has been found to shuttle carbohydrates away from adipose and into myocytes. Translation: Away from fat cells, into muscle cells. It?s a supplement, however, not a miracle worker. It?s not a crutch, and won?t do anything about fat intake. ALA and R-ALA can also aid in the expedition of the ketogenic state. Remember that if you buy R-ALA that you supplement it with Biotin. Glucorell-R is prepackaged with it. If you can afford it, go for it. As far as dosage, with the R, you are looking at 1-2 pills of Glucorell R for each 30-40grams of carb intake.
Protein and Carb Shakes: I?m not going to cover protein, because even if you can?t afford it, you should sell a kidney to get some. Carb drinks are rather convenient, and companies offer pre mixed dosages, (CarboHit, Glycoload, UltraFuel). Dextrose and Maltodextrin can be bought from most supplement stores or online.

7. Cheating- Cheating is essential. Why? Remember, the body runs on homeostasis, it likes to keep balance. After eating so well after a week, your body begins to adjust, and fat loss over time will not be as rapid. The other extremely important aspect is mental sanity. So many diets crash and fail because people don?t give themselves a chance to breath. Remember, cheating is not an opportunity for you to pillage the entire mall food court. Shoot for a cheat meal, not an all out binge. A fast food value meal can be 2,000 calories. Eat that 3 times on one day, and you?ve consumed 6,000 calories. And that?s not good in any case.

8. Cardio- Cardio and cutting usually go hand in hand. I won't go into specifics about length, other than cardio shouldn't be excessive. 45 minutes to one hour daily should be sufficient, and should be performed on an empty stomach.
Sample Diet:

Note: This is a sample diet for a 200 pound gentleman who is wishing to cut. We can assume his BF to be around 15%. This diet will NOT work for you if those criteria don?t apply to you; however it is easy to customize the below diet to take in account your own statistics. It is the principles that are applicable.. I am not going to post the total amount of calories, only the carb, protein and fat macros for the whole day.

Meal 1:
Lean Protein, 1/2 cup oatmeal

Meal 2:
Protein shake/Lean Protein (2 tbsp flax

Meal 3:
Veggies, Lean Protein

Workout

Meal 4:
PWO Nutrition

Meal 5:
Veggies, Lean Protein, 1/2 cup rice or oatmeal.

Meal 6:
Shake with Flax

That turns into approximately 300 grams protein, 130 grams Carbs, and 50 grams of fat.

*Reminder: This is a PRIMER. It?s not mean to be comprehensive.

Here comes the fun part: Question and Answer?.

Q: What about dairy?
A: If you don?t mind a soft look, fat free cottage cheese is an excellent caseinate source, but as for milks- way too much processed sugar. NO.

Q: Should I do a keto diet?
A: Unless you are morbidly obese, or would like to drag your wilted muscles behind you, stay away from keto. Again, that?s my opinion. You can see my previous posts for my anti-keto ranting.

Q: What about cycling carb intake?
A: Obviously on non workout days you will be without a shake, so you will be auto-cycling. It works well that way.

Q: Is sodium an issue?
A: Outside of the bloating issue, or if you have high cholesterol, no.

Q. How do I make my meals not taste like cardboard?
A. Be creative. Mix in some sugar free jam or splenda in your oats, some hot sauce or soy sauce on your meats, or pick up some sugar free ketchup.

Q. I don?t like old fashioned oats. Can I eat the pre mixed oats with fruit?
A. No. Be a man. Those mixes have ridiculous amounts of sugar.

Q. What about fruit?
A: Fruit replenishes glycogen stores in the liver, and in my opinion, is not to be a staple of a strict cutting diet, with a few exceptions.

Q: Can I eat steak while cutting?
A: Definitely. Make sure it?s a leaner cut.
 
brain said:
what kinds of cardio work best

You mean methods? The elliptical, bike, etc... are great methods.

I prefer to perform mine in the morning on an empty stomach, @ 65-75%HR... for 45-60mins....

Then, wait 15-20 mins to ingest a pro/fat meal, or, wait 40-45mins to ingest a pro/carb meal....

Works great for me... :)
 
Blown_SC said:
The Cutting Primer
By rambo @anabolicreview.com


Meal 1:
Lean Protein, 1/2 cup oatmeal

Meal 2:
Protein shake/Lean Protein (2 tbsp flax

Meal 3:
Veggies, Lean Protein

Workout

Meal 4:
PWO Nutrition

Meal 5:
Veggies, Lean Protein, 1/2 cup rice or oatmeal.

Meal 6:
Shake with Flax

That turns into approximately 300 grams protein, 130 grams Carbs, and 50 grams of fat.


Q. What about fruit?
A: Fruit replenishes glycogen stores in the liver, and in my opinion, is not to be a staple of a strict cutting diet, with a few exceptions.

Q: Can I eat steak while cutting?
A: Definitely. Make sure it?s a leaner cut.

Very good info.

3 questions:

1. the 1/2 cup of Rice, that is the Pre-cooked measure, right?
2. I often, on training days only, will put 1/2 a banana on top of my Oatmeal, then pour my shake over that. Is the Banana adding to much carbs?
3. Which Steak cuts tend to be lower in Fat?
 
1. Yes, pre-cooked (dry)...

2. The 1/2 banana won't affect you too much, and provides a good source of potassium. Try not including it, and see if your results are better... everyone is different... :)

3. Strip-Loin, Sirloin Tip, Tenderloin....
 
Thanks Bro,

BTW, I tend to put Flax oil in my Breakfast Protien shake to slow the absorption, etc.

Am I on the right track with this?

Right now I am 1 week out from beginning a "Bulking phase", afterwhich I will move into a "Cutting phase", does the use of Flax seed oil differ for each phase?

My goal is to put on size w/o adding a significant amount of fat.

I've been at this Iron game 30 yrs, in the past I tended to put to much fat on while putting on Muscle (Old School style, LOL). I'm trying to be smarter about it this time.

I appreciate your approach of getting size with minimal fat.
 
Grey Wtr said:
Thanks Bro,

BTW, I tend to put Flax oil in my Breakfast Protien shake to slow the absorption, etc.

Am I on the right track with this?

Right now I am 1 week out from beginning a "Bulking phase", afterwhich I will move into a "Cutting phase", does the use of Flax seed oil differ for each phase?

My goal is to put on size w/o adding a significant amount of fat.

I've been at this Iron game 30 yrs, in the past I tended to put to much fat on while putting on Muscle (Old School style, LOL). I'm trying to be smarter about it this time.

I appreciate your approach of getting size with minimal fat.

If you're eating oats in your first meal, don't add flax. If you're not eating oats (carbs) then it's fine. Don't mix your fats with your carbs (general rule)...
Split your meals into either a pro/carb meal, or a pro/fat meal... don't mix carbs and fats... one will be used for energy, and one will be stored as fat, not good...

While cutting seriously, carbs are great in the morning, and for PWO and PPWO...

By the way, PWO = post workout, and PPWO = post post workout.

Morning Carbs - Oats (Low GI)
PWO Carbs - Dextrose (High GI)
PPWO Carbs - Brown Rice/Yams/Oats (Low GI)

All other meals should be a lean source of protein combined with EFAs...

Regarding 'phases' of bulking and cutting: You need fats in both approaches. They very beneficial for both respects. You may be wondering why you should include fats while cutting? You need to eat fat, to lose fat.
 
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Blown_SC said:
You mean methods? The elliptical, bike, etc... are great methods.

I prefer to perform mine in the morning on an empty stomach, @ 65-75%HR... for 45-60mins....

Then, wait 15-20 mins to ingest a pro/fat meal, or, wait 40-45mins to ingest a pro/carb meal....

Works great for me... :)

I 've started eating right, running and rideing. A friend said something about "Winney". Do you think that it would help me get that cut look back alot quicker. Or is that friend full of sh**? What do you think about getting cut quick. :)
 
brain said:
I 've started eating right, running and rideing. A friend said something about "Winney". Do you think that it would help me get that cut look back alot quicker. Or is that friend full of sh**? What do you think about getting cut quick. :)
Why don't you post up your stats up on another thread so that everyone can give you there perspective.

Never heard of "Winney".....Did you ask him if you can drink it? I'm not sure that you're suppose to though......Welcome to PM !
 
Blown_SC said:
If you're eating oats in your first meal, don't add flax. If you're not eating oats (carbs) then it's fine. Don't mix your fats with your carbs (general rule)...
Split your meals into either a pro/carb meal, or a pro/fat meal... don't mix carbs and fats... one will be used for energy, and one will be stored as fat, not good...

While cutting seriously, carbs are great in the morning, and for PWO and PPWO...

By the way, PWO = post workout, and PPWO = post post workout.

Morning Carbs - Oats (Low GI)
PWO Carbs - Dextrose (High GI)
PPWO Carbs - Brown Rice/Yams/Oats (Low GI)

All other meals should be a lean source of protein combined with EFAs...

Regarding 'phases' of bulking and cutting: You need fats in both approaches. They very beneficial for both respects. You may be wondering why you should include fats while cutting? You need to eat fat, to lose fat.
I like your post bro, thanks for that !
 
Blown_SC said:
1. Yes, pre-cooked (dry)...

2. The 1/2 banana won't affect you too much, and provides a good source of potassium. Try not including it, and see if your results are better... everyone is different... :)

3. Strip-Loin, Sirloin Tip, Tenderloin....


That's great news BTW, as Sirloin is my favorite!
 
brain said:
I 've started eating right, running and rideing. A friend said something about "Winney". Do you think that it would help me get that cut look back alot quicker. Or is that friend full of sh**? What do you think about getting cut quick. :)


How funny, this is the exact same reason I got on the boards, to research my 'winny-only' cycle.. :booze:

Stay away from it.... will only dry you up, and harden your muscle... and you really shouldn't run it by itself.... It's not a fat burner in the respect your friend would have you believe...

Diet and cardio is what you need.... maybe a thermogenic (ECA/ECY, etc).... diet is the key, and don't let anyone tell you differently.... :cheers:
 
Blown_SC said:
How funny, this is the exact same reason I got on the boards, to research my 'winny-only' cycle.. :booze:

Stay away from it.... will only dry you up, and harden your muscle... and you really shouldn't run it by itself.... It's not a fat burner in the respect your friend would have you believe...

Diet and cardio is what you need.... maybe a thermogenic (ECA/ECY, etc).... diet is the key, and don't let anyone tell you differently.... :cheers:


Agreed Bro - Winny is overblown for its ripping effects - diet is the key
 
Just out of curiousity. Thats only roughly 2100 calories a day. Isnt that a little to low for a 200 lb guy???
 
Well said ,I didnt know diet played a big part I was just eating shitty just trying to get big and cut up wasnt workin . #1 Diet , #2 cardio is the key
 
When you refer to cheating is it just one snack every few days or is it a whole meal once a week?

Would you count fruit as cheating in this diet? I love them fruit smothies, The Magic Bullet rocks.
 
workingout said:
When you refer to cheating is it just one snack every few days or is it a whole meal once a week?

Would you count fruit as cheating in this diet? I love them fruit smothies, The Magic Bullet rocks.



Come contest day you can tell who cheated and who didn't. How much sugar and calories in one fruit smothie?
 
liftsiron said:
Come contest day you can tell who cheated and who didn't. How much sugar and calories in one fruit smothie?

About 350 cals, all sugar. LOL

When I make'em my self there's not that much. Only about 175. Strawberies, blueberries and non-fat yogurt. not bad at all.
 
Apples have a low Glycimic Index rating...are they ok?

how about breads made with low GI flours such as pumpernickle, rye and brown rice flour?
 
workingout said:
Apples have a low Glycimic Index rating...are they ok?

how about breads made with low GI flours such as pumpernickle, rye and brown rice flour?

Yes but I am not very familiar with the brown rice flour used in bread - I would suggest that you check out USDA.gov and look up the GI of the brown rice flour.

Also, remember about timing of your carbs and when you will want to eat the low GI vs. the high GI foods.

And yes, apples have a low glycemic index as well as any berry. Melon fruits are high and citrus fruits are mid to high.
 
I tried the Bread made from brown rice flour. It was good, I ate sandwhiches every day and still lost a lot of weight. I think I will stick with it. Althought at $6 a loaf I might start making my own. That way I can use splenda in it instead of honey, and flax oil instead of soya oil.
 
workingout said:
I tried the Bread made from brown rice flour. It was good, I ate sandwhiches every day and still lost a lot of weight. I think I will stick with it. Althought at $6 a loaf I might start making my own. That way I can use splenda in it instead of honey, and flax oil instead of soya oil.

WOW! Sounds very delicious but at $6 a loaf - I think I'd try making it myself too LOL! If you come across a good recipe or anything, post it up.
 
voracious said:
WOW! Sounds very delicious but at $6 a loaf - I think I'd try making it myself too LOL! If you come across a good recipe or anything, post it up.

Will do! My next experemint will be to test my blood sugar while eating the brown rice bread as compaired to whole weat and sourdough.

I just learned that sour dough bread has less impact on the blood glucose levels than whole wheat. Something to do with the fermentation slowing down the carb uptake simular to the way protein can slow it down, not really sure though, I'm still looking into that.
 
kickflip484 said:
Just out of curiousity. Thats only roughly 2100 calories a day. Isnt that a little to low for a 200 lb guy???


No, not really, it all truly depends on your RMR, but for cutting thats about right....now you have to take in consideration that when you cut your bound to sacrafice a little muscle this is pretty unavoidable, but if your calories are too low then you can sacrafice lots of muscle. Thats why diets are sooooo important.
 
workingout said:
Will do! My next experemint will be to test my blood sugar while eating the brown rice bread as compaired to whole weat and sourdough.

I just learned that sour dough bread has less impact on the blood glucose levels than whole wheat. Something to do with the fermentation slowing down the carb uptake simular to the way protein can slow it down, not really sure though, I'm still looking into that.

I learned about this recently too......like my sourdough!
 
So speaking specifically of PWO nutrition. I understand the protein portion of it and kinda the dextrose portion. I have dextrose powder so I know I can take it that way but is their specific foods it can be found in? I heard gatorade was a good source of dextrose but I am not sure how experiance the source was that told me that? I am unsure of what carbs contain maltodexrin? Can you explain and give me some diet options on how I can get my proper mix of dextrose and maltodexrin pwo? Thank You
 
So speaking specifically of PWO nutrition. I understand the protein portion of it and kinda the dextrose portion. I have dextrose powder so I know I can take it that way but is their specific foods it can be found in? I heard gatorade was a good source of dextrose but I am not sure how experiance the source was that told me that? I am unsure of what carbs contain maltodexrin? Can you explain and give me some diet options on how I can get my proper mix of dextrose and maltodexrin pwo? Thank You

Dextrose and maltodextrin is good post workout but actually any fast acting carb works just as good, gatorade or a pop tart is fine.
 

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