WHO IS TO BLAME?

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In 2003 an article was written declaring that New Orleans would have major problems IF a big hurricane hit. They have know since 1927 that the levy in NO was poor. The Army Core of Engineers was actually working to IMPROVE the levy BEFORE PRESIDENT Bush cut the finding FOR MORE AID FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ! WTF!!!! IF THIS GUY ISNT HELD ACCOUNTABLE I AM GONNA GO FUCKING BALASTIC!

And just to add to my frustrated rant, do you think New York will raise money for the areas afflicted in the south? What about flashy concert on tv to send your pledges? I really have my doubts.

I hate to be political I really do but hearing this kind of stuff enrages me.
 
theres concerts bein set up 4 this sat i belive 4 @ the same time, all the $ is goin 2 relief....& what about ny?....im not sure im understandin what u mean
i know the yankees tossed in 1 mill

there is a LARGE problem as far as this horrible tragedy & the war....somethin has 2 budge & im honesly affraid that its not goin b in the favor of the what katrina has left
 
why is it that The US helps everyone around the world when they have disasters? now we have one, where are all those countries now? they sure are not here helping us, physically or monetarly
 
goes4ever said:
why is it that The US helps everyone around the world when they have disasters? now we have one, where are all those countries now? they sure are not here helping us, physically or monetarly

it doesnt really surprise me....
 
The Australian Government has donated $10 million through the American Red Cross
france and germany

Rice: All Foreign Aid Offers Will Be Accepted

WASHINGTON ? In a turnabout, the United States is now on the receiving end of help from around the world as some two dozen countries offer post-hurricane assistance.

Venezuela, a target of frequent criticism by the Bush administration, offered humanitarian aid and fuel. Venezuela's Citgo Petroleum Corp. (search) pledged a $1 million donation for hurricane aid.

The United Nations informed U.S. Ambassador John R. Bolton (search) it was prepared to support the relief effort "in any way possible." Under Secretary-General Jan Egeland (search) said his office had offered the services of the U.N.'s disaster assistance and coordination teams to the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (search) sent a letter to President Bush offering hundreds of doctors, nurses, technicians and other experts in trauma, natural disasters and public health.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168203,00.html
 
I've been thinking about it, and there are three main issues at work in this catastrophy; the location of New Orleans, the large number of impoverished in N.O. and south Louisiana, and the lack of emergency preparedness, both on the state and national level.

Looking back on the United States' history, New Orleans (and Louisiana as a whole) played a large part in the developing of this country. The port of New Orleans has, and up until last week, still played a large part in the U.S. economy. I have a hard time grasping the rationality in continuing to develop such a large city in the location they did, but I guess things are the way they are. If Louisiana and the U.S. wanted to keep N.O. thriving, they needed to invest in the infrastructure necessary to do so. They obviously did not make that choice. The potential for this type of disaster has been known for much, much longer than Duhbya, even longer than Bush Sr. I remember in grade school (I'm 37 now) seeing pictures of what the southern Louisiana coastline would look like in the future if such a storm were to come through, or over time just due to the natural course of erosion. (The Mississippi River naturally needs to meander to keep depositing silt along the coastline, but the levees revent this.) Duhbya was the last to pass, so he's now catching the flack, and rightly so. And all the ones who study this type of thing get to say "I told you so." (The only thing I can say in W's defense is he's had more crap to deal with than any other lead has in a long, long time.)

Louisiana, historically, has not placed an emphasis on education. The first thing Blanco (our current gov.) did when she got in office was to drastically cut spending to higher education. Also, check the current salary range of our teachers. This, over time, has lead to a large work force of laborers, who tend to work the coastline where people can make their way fishing, working oil rigs, etc. There is also a tendency for the impoverished to not be willing to work as hard as the rest of the world. They do what they need to do to eek by, and that's it. And yes, there are always the exceptions to the rule, but by and large they chose not to better themselves. We can argue that they were never taught the choices they have, but this is a debate for a whole other thread. Bottom line is, they were dependent on the government to bail them out, and you see what happens when you rely on big government. I just don't understand why they want to continue to *give* more money to the poor, and continue this welfare mentality (and again I'm hijacking my own thread).

Follow these two conditions up with inadequate leadership and this is what we get. Blanco, nor the N.O. mayor, placed enough emphasis on evacuating before their 9 a.m. press conference Sunday morning when they declared the manditory evacuation. This was too little, too late. Sunday evening they were on the news telling everyone to take alternate routes because all of the major highways were gridlocked. Then, they're telling those that cannot evacuate to go to these certain shelters. Shelters that were WAY underprepared, due, I'm told, to more recent budget cuts to emergency preparedness (thanks again, Blanco). Then, on top of our own local government's ineptness, there is the large federal goverment that takes three acts of congress and an ammendment to the constitution to make the smallest decisions.

Bad on top of bad on top of bad, and we've created quite a pickle.
 
Sorry for the typos, but apparently this board doesn't allow my to correct my aweful Engrish...
 
I hate bush. he, as well as his business partners, can all **************************************** EDIT.
:devil1:

***Bro, we still have to somewhat civil. Cool? --Future
 
Stout1 said:
I believe on the news last night 20 countries have offered help.

but it is almost an insult compared to what we have done for them seriously.............
 
goes4ever said:
but it is almost an insult compared to what we have done for them seriously.............

How many countries in this world are even in a spot to give? Not many. I agree with you 110%, but look who runs our country and how we are perceived throughout the world.

We are considered by many to push our views onto other nations, don't follow Int'l peace treaties, ignore the U.N., etc. The way we conduct ourselves is biting us in the ass now. We may do alot of good things for some countries but alot of it is "PR" (public relations) work in my opinion. Some of our figure heads could care less about third world countries and either offer support for "image" or other circumstances that we might need them for such as importation/exportation of goods.

Look at how many countries WE BOUGHT to use their space for the Iraq war. The majority of the countries were not "willing" we bought them. ;)
 
skullsmasher said:
I hate bush. he, as well as his business partners, can all **************************************** EDIT.
:devil1:

***Bro, we still have to somewhat civil. Cool? --Future

oh yea, no prob, I just get really p'd when I think about it. My bad.
 
Unfortunately the frustrations in NO are warranted. The government should have deployed troups alot quicker than they did. 1 week after the hurricane is WAY too late. I am disappointed at the lack of organization from the government & the organizations helping with the relief effort. It's unfortunate that the looters & gangs have decided to run wild in the city & threaten the rescuers to the point they can't come in and rescue those in the Superdome.

I know in these emergency situations they send out national guard troops, but we already have marines & soldiers they could have deployed until the national guard troops could get there, right? I may not know what I'm talking about here, but that makes the most sense to me.
 
It's frustrating that the most powerful nation couldnt respond better to this. Does oil need to be involved?

And what about the governor in Lousiana grandstanding. There was an article written 2 years ok that explained what would happen if a cat 4 or 5 hurricane hit. No one did anything.

From 9/11 to the War in Iraq to now, I am really proud of the American people that IN SPITE of the sketchy leadership DO SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

I just wish we could hold these fools accountable...republicans, democrats, whoever. It's just not right. This is the USA and bodies were being chewed on by rats yesterday.
 
the oil that they feel is limited now, hence the price increase, is actually not a problem. It is being used as an excuse to hike up prices and rape us once again. There is reserves that are held specifically for occasions like this.
 
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This is something else that bothers me.
 
future said:
It's frustrating that the most powerful nation couldnt respond better to this. Does oil need to be involved?

Yes, oil does need to be involved. The Gulf is one of the main resources of this country's oil production. I work for an engineering/construction company that mainly builds oil refineries. Talking with some of the engineers at work, they were telling me that there were at least 20 oil rigs knocked off their bases in the gulf & just floating out there. Many of them made it to shore. I saw a picture of one wedged under a bridge in Alabama. This is where Venezuela jumped in & has sent some of their top engineers to aid in our oil/gas crisis. Another critical issue is alot of the gas stations are totally wiped out. So the gas stations still standing are having to supply the gas for everyone. I saw on tv last night people lined up on I-10 for up to 6 hours just to get gas.

On another note, evacuees who lost everything and are here are talking about not going back at all. They've already started looking for jobs here & are just wanting to get a fresh start.
 
future said:
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This is something else that bothers me.

**WARNING** this is my opinion, and i do not want to get banned for this.....


how does that bother you? theres a crisis somewhere in the country (that he is supposed to be leading) and heaven forbid the president should get off his ass and do something while hes on vacation.....i mean really, isnt he supposed to be running this country? isnt he supposed to ready and prepared to react for disaster at any moment?
 
future said:
I am really proud of the American people that IN SPITE of the sketchy leadership DO SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

I'd think so too, but the way some of those in NO are acting, it's just really disappointing.

future said:
I just wish we could hold these fools accountable...republicans, democrats, whoever. It's just not right. This is the USA and bodies were being chewed on by rats yesterday.

I think W is going to catch a lot for this one. It's been going on waaaay longer than him, it's just that his hiney is the one that's gotten bitten. And ultimately, he is at the top of the food chain and is responsible. My opinion is that it's all the "in between" that's causing the problems. Those who can do the job need to be freed up to do the job, and eveyone else needs to step out of the way. Usually you have too many chiefs and not enough indians, but in this case, we have all the indians we need, and not a chief in site.

Here at LSU, we're housing a lot of efforts, FEMA, homeland security, lots of big players have set up temporary shop. But I'm hearing that nobody knows what's going on. They don't know if any one entity is repeating the efforts of the other, they don't know what's falling through the gaps... Even within their own organizations it's chaotic. My gf and a couple of co-workers went to volunteer yesterday evening. I was told there were volunteers standing around everywhere with nothing to do. People in charge were telling them to "go sit on the bleachers and we'll get you if we need you." They said they needed someone to work the 4 am - 8 am shift, so my gf woke up early and went back to that. Again, she went around and around and around, got told to sit on the bleachers. So she left. This morning they were whining on a local news channel that they needed volunteers. Go figure.

But it is incredible the amount of money already raised in donations alone, not including any federal aid. One local station did a donation drive. Within a few hours they had to shut down because they had over 81 tons (I think that was the number) of donations. And this is little old Baton Rouge, people!
 
LOL Dork you dont get banned for giving your opinion. ITS ALL IN THE PRESENTATION.

I found the pciture terribly ironic that while he SHOULD be on the phones etc etc he was clowning around while people were dying. Granted I am not a politician and I don't know the PR game but showing some real concern and not doing publicity BS during that time would be nice.
 
Wreck said:
I'd think so too, but the way some of those in NO are acting, it's just really disappointing.



I think W is going to catch a lot for this one. It's been going on waaaay longer than him, it's just that his hiney is the one that's gotten bitten. And ultimately, he is at the top of the food chain and is responsible. My opinion is that it's all the "in between" that's causing the problems. Those who can do the job need to be freed up to do the job, and eveyone else needs to step out of the way. Usually you have too many chiefs and not enough indians, but in this case, we have all the indians we need, and not a chief in site.

Here at LSU, we're housing a lot of efforts, FEMA, homeland security, lots of big players have set up temporary shop. But I'm hearing that nobody knows what's going on. They don't know if any one entity is repeating the efforts of the other, they don't know what's falling through the gaps... Even within their own organizations it's chaotic. My gf and a couple of co-workers went to volunteer yesterday evening. I was told there were volunteers standing around everywhere with nothing to do. People in charge were telling them to "go sit on the bleachers and we'll get you if we need you." They said they needed someone to work the 4 am - 8 am shift, so my gf woke up early and went back to that. Again, she went around and around and around, got told to sit on the bleachers. So she left. This morning they were whining on a local news channel that they needed volunteers. Go figure.

But it is incredible the amount of money already raised in donations alone, not including any federal aid. One local station did a donation drive. Within a few hours they had to shut down because they had over 81 tons (I think that was the number) of donations. And this is little old Baton Rouge, people!


I read about how Bush deciding to cut the funding and streamline FEMA as well so we could spend more money for IRAQ. Anyone know anything about this?
 
what is that him on tuesday and new orleans on the same day ? If so, I agree. It seems like hes always doing something like that.
 
future said:
I read about how Bush deciding to cut the funding and streamline FEMA as well so we could spend more money for IRAQ. Anyone know anything about this?

I'm not sure if funding was cut because of Iraq, or if Iraq was the excuse not to give additional funding. Either way, it's a poor decision.
 
skullsmasher said:
what is that him on tuesday and new orleans on the same day ? If so, I agree. It seems like hes always doing something like that.

Same day. :(
 
And just to be clear, I am not saying if you like Bush or are conservative then I think you are ignorant. I dont think that. We CAN have our political differences. As long as we approach everythin without being personal with each other I think we can be free to share our thoughts.
 

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