Yates, Ray & Levrone talk gear

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Thanks Hank but sorry I call BS on their responses. Lol. You could tell they were still not willing to come fully clean about their use for whatever reasons. Some of those replies were flat out comical :D
 
Hey opinions will vary indeed Doc haha! Keep in mind they were talking about their first show. Considering that & for that time period, I don't see it so hard to believe. Yates has mentioned his cycles during his O reign and they were MUCH higher, yet, not the 5+ g's per week everyone seems to think a pro must use. I guess being that I myself have always been pretty big even natty, I can fathom that an O-caliber-genetically-gifted guy can get enormous on much smaller amounts than most tend to believe. Call me naive perhaps. :)
 
Yeah. All good points brother ;)

Who knows I guess. I guess for me, who is the opposite (having the genetics of a worm) - I'm always looking to blame the gear for the gains. Haha

Guess in the end, I'm just jealous. :D
 
Looks like Yates was hardly off.. 3 4 week periods over the year.

4 off (after O)8 on.. 4 off.. 8 on.. 4 off.. 8 on.. 4 off.. on 12 (O prep).

Levrone took 6 months or more right off.

Ray.. who knows
 
I recently saw an interview with Mike Quinn who claims he used Yates chemist for the 94 Iron Man.. his best look. Said the guy had him on 23 different drugs including EPO.
 
I enjoyed the article. I look forward to seeing what their actual cycles looked like. I'm sure much less than what most people think. I'm one of those guys that can gain easily or lose with a bit more effort, but still fairly easy all through just diet and training. So I'm more easily persuaded that they may not have used tons of aas.
That said, what will be interesting is how honest they'll be about insulin and hgh. I know Dorian said he used slin in prep for one O but didn't use it after that due to bloating and ab distention.
 
I think the cycle depends on the person. Lee Priest is open about his use, and he doesn't use massive amounts. Also like DVJ said, I think some of these articles aren't the actual words of them. Only because I saw a recent interview with Kevin Levrone, and that dude wouldn't even talk about gear, so why would he for this? It's no secret they all use, but dosage is all particular to the individual. I have a buddy that grows off 250mg test/wk. I wish I had those genes.
 
Glycomann said:
I recently saw an interview with Mike Quinn who claims he used Yates chemist for the 94 Iron Man.. his best look. Said the guy had him on 23 different drugs including EPO.
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Do you have a link to that? I'd like to see that as well.
 
b52 said:
I think the cycle depends on the person. Lee Priest is open about his use, and he doesn't use massive amounts. Also like DVJ said, I think some of these articles aren't the actual words of them. Only because I saw a recent interview with Kevin Levrone, and that dude wouldn't even talk about gear, so why would he for this? It's no secret they all use, but dosage is all particular to the individual. I have a buddy that grows off 250mg test/wk. I wish I had those genes.
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Yeah, I don't know if I believe any written thing. Didn't Ronnie Coleman "write" some articles or q&a in Flex or something back in the day? If you've ever heard him talk, he can barely string together a coherent sentence much less write a professional sounding article.
 
buffalohead said:
Yeah, I don't know if I believe any written thing. Didn't Ronnie Coleman "write" some articles or q&a in Flex or something back in the day? If you've ever heard him talk, he can barely string together a coherent sentence much less write a professional sounding article.
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You mean "Yeeeaaahhh buddddddaaaaaayyyy" doesn't count? :p Obviously the columns by various bodybuilders in the mags are edited. However the above links I posted are interviews, so the words are verbatim, or at least should be.

Yates is quite more cerebral than Coleman that's for sure. IMO I believe Yates has nothing to hide - seems like a no-bs type of guy as he always has been. As for Shawn, I can see him talking shit in a minute. Have no idea about Kevin. Keep in mind these guys are talking 20+ years ago, so they don't have anything to lose IMO. We all know that the cycles guys run now days are much higher than what they ran back then. Just like most would agree that what they took in the 90's was a shitload more than what they took in the 70's. Hence, I think it makes them feel more at ease talking about what they took back then.

Part 3 will reveal alot regarding bs-talk or not. If we read that they claim to have been running something like only 500mg ew of injects and 20mg of dbol ed during their Olympia runs, then I would call bullshit haha. But I know Yates has already mentioned his cycles more than once, so he won't go there. Be interesting what Kevin & Shawn will "fess up" to.

Another guy I wish they would interview on the topic is Paul Dillet. He was insane and had no gh gut. If he got those dimensions on only 1.5 - 2g ew or so, he truly is a freak of freaks.

Just my take :)
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
You mean "Yeeeaaahhh buddddddaaaaaayyyy" doesn't count? :p Obviously the columns by various bodybuilders in the mags are edited. However the above links I posted are interviews, so the words are verbatim, or at least should be.
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I can only imagine him reading someone their rights while throwing them in the back of a cop car. lmao
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Very interesting stuff to read. But like SR said it has nothing to do with me because I'm me, not him, with different genes, different goals, different environment, and I work full time. So we've got to keep all that in mind when reading this. But still very entertaining at the least.
 
Dorian's contest prep ain't nothing crazy. those are low doses by anyone's means.
 
b52 said:
Dorian's contest prep ain't nothing crazy. those are low doses by anyone's means.
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Yeah. Keep in mind though this was 20-25 years back. Again, some may call me naive, but I buy it. I use myself as a barometer and remember how big and jacked I was when running 750mg test, 600mg deca & 400mg tren e. That was by FAR my largest cycle ever, and I was 275 and pretty hard around 12%. And that was only 1 cycle of 12 weeks. I actually had to stop the deca & tren early in that cycle bcoz of waking up to piss 6x a night - was scared of prostate issues. Anyways, I can only imagine how I would have looked running a few cycles a year like that, year in and year out. Now throw in some GH, and most important, throw in genetics of a superfreak like Dorian, and yes indeed, I CAN see it. It's all genetics - I've seen many guys running the amount I mention above, and yet l looked better than them when only running test @ 250mg ew. Hell, I've seen guys running 1 g ew and I looked better than them when I was natty haha. Not trying to boast, just making a point of how genetics indeed is everything, and gear capitalizes on it.
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
Yeah. Keep in mind though this was 20-25 years back. Again, some may call me naive, but I buy it. I use myself as a barometer and remember how big and jacked I was when running 750mg test, 600mg deca & 400mg tren e. That was by FAR my largest cycle ever, and I was 275 and pretty hard around 12%. And that was only 1 cycle of 12 weeks. I actually had to stop the deca & tren early in that cycle bcoz of waking up to piss 6x a night - was scared of prostate issues. Anyways, I can only imagine how I would have looked running a few cycles a year like that, year in and year out. Now throw in some GH, and most important, throw in genetics of a superfreak like Dorian, and yes indeed, I CAN see it. It's all genetics - I've seen many guys running the amount I mention above, and yet l looked better than them when only running test @ 250mg ew. Hell, I've seen guys running 1 g ew and I looked better than them when I was natty haha. Not trying to boast, just making a point of how genetics indeed is everything, and gear capitalizes on it.
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Absolutely agree. I know a set of twins that are natty and they are friggin big! They just put on muscle easily. some people have it easy, while others have to work harder for it.
 
Priest has done interviews on his doses and he is relatively the same and I absolutely believe it. Most of these pros are freak responders to the sauce. An old friend of mine years ago ran the exact the cycle- he's an ultra responder- he fckn looked phenomenal. My gains were decent but the difference was huge. That's why we have such freaks on the stage these years ultra responders taking the cycles to the max in some cases- Kai Ronnie rammy
 
Thanks for the articles! They were a cool read. There's a part of me that hopes in 20-25 years BBers like Kai, Jay, and even DLB will talk about the cycle they were on.
Idk about you guys but I always find stack details fascinating: to see what quantities of gear people took and why cause it wouldn't really be a secret if everyone reacted the same to different drugs, let's be honest!
 
Third was the better of the three.

Honestly, I can't really say what they used. I do believe that running the super high shit isn't necessary just from my own experience.

It's really a mindset to me and I think anyone that's really puts the training and diet above all else for gains will feel the same way.

The slin and GH have done more for me faster than any heavy cycle. I just don't see any real difference in running moderate to heavy.

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Great read on the third article DPH. I agree SR wimped out. But who knows what had happened in the previous weeks leading up to the interview. Maybe an acquaintance had a heat attack or stroke from too much anadrol or whatever. My impression is Shawn was a mega doser and just didn't want anyone to do what he did. I know Shawn and Flex were close and Flex has had his health issues over the years.
But overall I enjoyed reading this. Thanks Hank.
 
One guy I knew pretty well back in the day came close to turning Pro and might have if not for an accident. He won the Jr Nationals in the early 80s. By the early 90s I know he was on a lot of stuff. The guy he lived with was one of my close friends. He said the guy had three empty syringes in the basket every morning. That was by the early 90s. Then I knew a Lebanese kid back in the late 90s. The kid would barely take anything and blow up really fast. Some guys respond better than others. In this thread we are talking about three of the top elites of all time. Probably at that level you pretty much have to be special in a number of ways and one of those probably more often than not is great response to AAS.
 
It may be something else but I just enjoyed the article so much..

When Shawn and Yates were so confident in their genetic potential and able to get to 235 lbs shredded diced and tight at 5'10" with 15 mg of anavar, 200 mg primo and a swig of testosterone.

Haha I like Shawn Ray though he just needs to be praised and then he will be your best friend
 
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