Mayweather vs Ortiz

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Is it being shown on PPV in the US? It's on free here :D - Sunday morning at 10AM (thats 10PM Saturday night EST). Looks like Floyd is a heavy favorite as expected...anybody see an upset? Too bad this couldn't be the fight of the new millenium - Pac vs Floyd. Speaking of Pac, good Lord he's like a God over here...he's on so many TV commercials, news, etc all the time.
 
I'm sure it will be on PPV these tight asses aint going to show anything free here in the States.. It should be good though..
 
MaNiCC said:
Where you from Dawg?

I'm going to catch the fight if i can (UK)
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It's being shown on PPV with Virgin Media on the Primetime channel - their version of Sky Box Office.

Hank, have you moved over there with work?
 
While most here on the board know I am a Floyd-hater, I gotta give it up to him this time. Fucking Ortiz is a dirty biatch, trying to headbutt Floyd in the 4th rd. It was obvious as hell...he even launched his whole body into the headbutt. Referee Cortez paused the fight to take a point away from Ortiz for the headbutt. When the fight resumed, Ortiz approached Floyd to say "sorry" and hug him, Floyd obliged - then as soon as Ortiz stepped back, Floyd nailed him with a left and a right which K.O'ed him. Ortiz wasn't even prepared for that, with hands still down at his side, but hey, you wanna cheat, be prepared biatch - protect yourself at all times. Then after the fight, Larry Merchant starts with his bullshit, and Floyd ripped him a new asshole and told him HBO needs to fire him because he doesn't know shit about boxing.LOL:laugh: It was a classic. Btw, before all that went down in Rd. 4, the fight wasn't close - Floyd was owning him with speed and lead right hands at will. Wanna see Pacman kick his ass now! :igok:

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-iole_mayweather_ortiz091811
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
No sir - received early retirement when my place of employment closed down, so just trying it out over here.
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Cool man, there's a few Philipinos on the ship I work on, they're all Pacman fanatics and are great guys. One of them even gave me a copy of all Pacquiaio's fights!

You've hit the nail in the head, irrespective if it was done in gamesmanship, if Ortiz hadn't headbutted Floyd then he would never have had the chance to KO him like he did.

I really think Pacman will be too much for Floyd, hell, after his destruction of Judah, I'd give Khan a fighter's chance over Floyd. Very fast, very accurate and powerful as hell. Need to see how he does against Moralez in December, if that fight is still going ahead.
 
I didnt see the fight but heard about the end results... lose lose for both guys, after reading what Floyd did its a little dirty, but the headbutt for sure set him off...
 
MR. BMJ said:
I hope Ortiz gets the upset:)

Pac is my favorite boxer though.
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me too i love manny now floyd just needs to stop being a crybaby and give the fans the dream fight they are waiting for....i hope manny beats the brains outta floyd....
 
floyd is definiately ducking manny. and yeah manny would punish floyd.
 
the headbutt was fucked up but that fight was still in the ref's stoppage mode from deducting a point from ortiz. The ref never restarted the fight.. He was talking to the man on the clock or the judges..
Don't even talk to me about protecting yourself at all times.. That just pertains to when your actually fighting.. It means when you can't intelligently defend yourself, The ref can call the fight.. Has absolutely nothing to do in this situation..

If this were true, when a guy is having a standing 8, His opponent could come up from behind the ref and knoch the guy getting the 8 count out.. Just as stupid a senerio as punching an opponent after the ref calls for the break.. The ref needs to restart the fight..
I'll lay money the clock was never started again after the ref took that point away from ortiz!!!
 
The ref did restart the fight
Go back and rewatch it. He waved them in and then and looked at the time keeper to makes sure the time was back on

ortiz should have known it was time to fight after being waved in......after hugging....twice....and touching gloves

ortiz was frustrated looking for a way out and he found one, he quit int he ring before and thats basically what he did saturday
 
Nigbo said:
all manny has to do is take a test who refuses to take, whos ducking who?
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Pac takes the same test that all pro boxers take.lol He merely doesn't bow down to Floyd and Floyd's "special tests" mandated by Floyd himself.


@Bass

Check the video bro - its easy to see at :31, Cortez calls it/hand signals game on. No matter he was looking at the ringside - he was probably checking the ring time as the round was close to the end. When its game-on, yes indeed it is "protect yourself at all times" - you can't just expect your opponent to wait for you - and damn sure can't expect him to wait after you just deliberately head-butted him with full force.lol :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozfN8lE7Z1M
 
"If I was 50 years younger I would kick your ass!"

Bwhahahaha! :laugh:
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
Pac takes the same test that all pro boxers take.lol He merely doesn't bow down to Floyd and Floyd's "special tests" mandated by Floyd himself.
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Floyd wont fight ANYONE anymore without olympic drug testing. Hes has no problem with is, mosley said he had no problem with it on their 24/7 and victor ortiz didnt mention it at all

So this fight happening is all in mannys hands. He refuses to take a test no one else seems to care about.
 
Nigbo said:
Floyd wont fight ANYONE anymore without olympic drug testing. Hes has no problem with is, mosley said he had no problem with it on their 24/7 and victor ortiz didnt mention it at all
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You just made my point bro. To let Floyd re-write the rules and allow him to set the requirements for pro boxing is, well, outright ludicrous. Obviously Shane took the test with no qualms - it was a big money fight for him in his later years and he would have taken any test thrown at him to make big $$$. Just because Shane or anyone else kisses Floyds ass by adhering to Floyds special requirements, does that make it OK to be the new standard? Manny complies by the pro boxing drug testing rules just as all other boxers do. He already has big $$$, has won an unprecedented 8 division championships and is known as the best pound for pound fighter in the world - why on Earth should he kiss Floyds ass & comply with Floyds "special" testing all for the sake of Floyd?lol If I'm Pac, I know I damn sure wouldn't. If this fight never happens, Floyd will be remembered as the guy that made excuses not to fight Pac - not the other way around.
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
You just made my point bro. To let Floyd re-write the rules and allow him to set the requirements for pro boxing is, well, outright ludicrous. Obviously Shane took the test with no qualms - it was a big money fight for him in his later years and he would have taken any test thrown at him to make big $$$. Just because Shane or anyone else kisses Floyds ass by adhering to Floyds special requirements, does that make it OK to be the new standard? Manny complies by the pro boxing drug testing rules just as all other boxers do. He already has big $$$, has won an unprecedented 8 division championships and is known as the best pound for pound fighter in the world - why on Earth should he kiss Floyds ass & comply with Floyds "special" testing all for the sake of Floyd?lol If I'm Pac, I know I damn sure wouldn't. If this fight never happens, Floyd will be remembered as the guy that made excuses not to fight Pac - not the other way around.
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You can say all that if you want, decent arguement, very cute

Fact of the matter is manny wont take the test so the fights not happening. No one else cares about random drug testing but the only person whos being accused of using anyting

So you can say manny has all this leverage but he doesnt. hes yet to have PPV as big as floyds or make as much money as him. The big payday comes with floyd, not by himself or by beating up old mexican warriors....or by beating up people floyds already KO'd
 
Nigbo said:
You can say all that if you want, decent arguement, very cute

Fact of the matter is manny wont take the test so the fights not happening. No one else cares about random drug testing but the only person whos being accused of using anyting

So you can say manny has all this leverage but he doesnt. hes yet to have PPV as big as floyds or make as much money as him. The big payday comes with floyd, not by himself or by beating up old mexican warriors....or by beating up people floyds already KO'd
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Fact of the matter is, Floyd won't play game by the rules thats been in place for boxing for eons and must demand his own rules, so the fights not happening. It starts with Floyd, not Pac. Using your rationale, one is guilty until proven innocent. Thats it in a nutshell.

Old Mexican warriors? Wrong. Barerra, Marquez, Morales was all at the top of their game and not old when Pac came to the USA and opened eyes.

You can talk about KO's with Floyd if you wish to reach that far :laugh:, but I think most know who KO's & destroys people. Shane, whos fought the best in his time stated "I've never felt that kind of power before" after being demolished by Pac.

Apparently, we will have to agree to disagree on most of this topic. :)
 
if you think berrera and morales were in their prime thats just crazy

and yes, he fought marquez who was closer to his prime and arguably hasnt even beat the guy.

Drops him 3 times in the first round and losses every round after that.

Wins by an extremely slim margin in a fight most outside observes say pacman lost

honestly looking at those 2 fights and the counter punching marquez did to him and all the problems hes caused him, what do you think floyd would do to him, seriously
 
Nigbo said:
if you think berrera and morales were in their prime thats just crazy

and yes, he fought marquez who was closer to his prime and arguably hasnt even beat the guy.

Drops him 3 times in the first round and losses every round after that.

Wins by an extremely slim margin in a fight most outside observes say pacman lost

honestly looking at those 2 fights and the counter punching marquez did to him and all the problems hes caused him, what do you think floyd would do to him, seriously
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Anybody that knows anything about boxing remembers the Mexican domination during that time, in large part due to Barrera & Morales. When Pac came over and started kicking all their asses (not withstanding a loss to Morales the 1st time), he opened everyones eyes and was even coined as the "Mexican Killer" for a brief time in boxing circles. Barrera was 29 and Morales was 28 when they first fought Pac - they were has-beens eh?lol Come on mang.

Concerning Marquez - everyone knows styles makes fights. You can't compare Floyd's style and his in an attempt to evaluate another match-up.lol The Marquez fights were close fosho, with Marquez winning most rounds - but not the fight. This is all a moot point anyways regarding the Floyd fight as again, you can't compare styles and say bcoz one guy did this, the other can also do it.

To answer your Q about what Floyd will do to Pac - I see 2 possible scenarios IF they fight:

1) IF Floyd chooses to engage, he will get KO'ed. An OLD Shane hurt him in Rd 2 bigtime - Floyd's knees buckled. Pac hits much harder than Shane, and throws tons of combos - not only one punch at a time.

2) If Floyd runs, it will be a boring fight, in which Pac will win on points by aggression alone if nothing else. Pac throws many punches as he pursues, unlike most Floyd has fought. Floyd landing a counter every now and then won't be enough to win with all the punches Pac will throw, in which some of them will indeed land.

All in all, Floyd doesn't want to get hit period. He knows facing Pac there is a good chance his perfect record will be tarnished and worse yet, he could be humiliated & KO'ed. Why would he risk that? He's already richer than rich. Even if it is a 50 million $$$ payday, he will find a way out of the fight as he has already proven.
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
Anybody that knows anything about boxing remembers the Mexican domination during that time, in large part due to Barrera & Morales. When Pac came over and started kicking all their asses (not withstanding a loss to Morales the 1st time), he opened everyones eyes and was even coined as the "Mexican Killer" for a brief time in boxing circles. Barrera was 29 and Morales was 28 when they first fought Pac - they were has-beens eh?lol Come on mang.

Concerning Marquez - everyone knows styles makes fights. You can't compare Floyd's style and his in an attempt to evaluate another match-up.lol The Marquez fights were close fosho, with Marquez winning most rounds - but not the fight. This is all a moot point anyways regarding the Floyd fight as again, you can't compare styles and say bcoz one guy did this, the other can also do it.

To answer your Q about what Floyd will do to Pac - I see 2 possible scenarios IF they fight:

1) IF Floyd chooses to engage, he will get KO'ed. An OLD Shane hurt him in Rd 2 bigtime - Floyd's knees buckled. Pac hits much harder than Shane, and throws tons of combos - not only one punch at a time.

2) If Floyd runs, it will be a boring fight, in which Pac will win on points by aggression alone if nothing else. Pac throws many punches as he pursues, unlike most Floyd has fought. Floyd landing a counter every now and then won't be enough to win with all the punches Pac will throw, in which some of them will indeed land.

All in all, Floyd doesn't want to get hit period. He knows facing Pac there is a good chance his perfect record will be tarnished and worse yet, he could be humiliated & KO'ed. Why would he risk that? He's already richer than rich. Even if it is a 50 million $$$ payday, he will find a way out of the fight as he has already proven.
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Were they has beens? No. 29 is old for a boxer. Most people say the peak is over about 32. Now lets factor in the fact that both are known for CONSTANTLY going to war. Both their boxing careers sputtered in the end because of it

The LAST good fight morales had him in was against pacman the first time. After that his career as a force was over. Proof of this would be the fact he literaly has done nothing since then and looked a shell of himself every single fight after that fight.

As far as Berrera goes its crazy talk to think that guy was in any type of prime condition when he fought Pacman. CRAZY

After his 3rd fight with morales he did what? Struggle twice horrible with a C rate fighter in Rocky Jaurez? Then he got embarrassed when he fought Marquez.

And so what? Mosley hit him with a good punch. Pacman got hurt multiple times against Morales and Marquez, Floyds a bigger fighter so if u want to use that logic Pacqioau will get stopped in like 3 rounds. Hell 2 of pacmans losses came when he was fighting at 118 where he was ko'd by body shots, people get caught, floyds been hurt before mosley wasnt the first person to do it but hes never been down in his entire career

But with all that out the window Floyd got stung, got embarrassed, and then chased mosley down the rest of the time and beat the shit out of him. How chinny could Floyd be if he walked down the guy who hurt him in the 2nd and whipped him for 11 rounds?


Again....look at all the trouble pacman had in both fights with Marquez. Marquez is a counter punching machine and arguably won both fights. Now youre going to put a bigger faster more talented fighter in front of him and hes supposed to come how KO him?
 
Nigbo said:
Were they has beens? No. 29 is old for a boxer. Most people say the peak is over about 32. Now lets factor in the fact that both are known for CONSTANTLY going to war. Both their boxing careers sputtered in the end because of it

The LAST good fight morales had him in was against pacman the first time. After that his career as a force was over. Proof of this would be the fact he literaly has done nothing since then and looked a shell of himself every single fight after that fight.

As far as Berrera goes its crazy talk to think that guy was in any type of prime condition when he fought Pacman. CRAZY

After his 3rd fight with morales he did what? Struggle twice horrible with a C rate fighter in Rocky Jaurez? Then he got embarrassed when he fought Marquez.

And so what? Mosley hit him with a good punch. Pacman got hurt multiple times against Morales and Marquez, Floyds a bigger fighter so if u want to use that logic Pacqioau will get stopped in like 3 rounds. Hell 2 of pacmans losses came when he was fighting at 118 where he was ko'd by body shots, people get caught, floyds been hurt before mosley wasnt the first person to do it but hes never been down in his entire career

But with all that out the window Floyd got stung, got embarrassed, and then chased mosley down the rest of the time and beat the shit out of him. How chinny could Floyd be if he walked down the guy who hurt him in the 2nd and whipped him for 11 rounds?


Again....look at all the trouble pacman had in both fights with Marquez. Marquez is a counter punching machine and arguably won both fights. Now youre going to put a bigger faster more talented fighter in front of him and hes supposed to come how KO him?
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You wanna talk about crazy - saying a boxer is OLD when he is 29 is RIDICULOUS on most accounts. You must be talking the talk of back in the 50's to say that. Most fighters are a shitload better at 30 than 20 because of gained experience and knowledge. Barrera & Morales was the guys to beat back then and anybody that knows boxing knows that. Sure they both had wars, but reaching so far to say they were not on their A-game, and worse yet, saying they were done is a JOKE. Barrera was on the best pound for pound list at the time. Prince Naseem was the talk of boxing back then and Barrera took him to school - that was 2 years before he fought Pac. In the prior year to fighting Pac, Barrera also beat Morales and Tapia. He didn't fight Rocky Jaurez until THREE years AFTER he fought Pac - not even an argument to bring up.

To keep using Marquez as some type of barometer as to what Floyd will be able to do is ludicrous. First and foremost, styles make fights - they are different fighters. Anybody knows that. Secondly, Pac was a one-handed fighter back then and his defense was lacking. Roach has turned him into a two-handed fighter and his D is much better. Comparing Pac as a fighter now to what he was back then in the Morales & Marquez days, or worse yet, when he was a flyweight is, well - a JOKE.

You apparently forgot that Pac fought Marquez at featherweight & super-featherweight before, because you didn't mention that not only Floyd will be bigger, but Pac also. Pac has proved he has brought the power with him in the heavier division with his ass whippings of Margarito, Cotto, Hatton, Shane, etc. He has lost no speed, and proved he can take big shots from the heavy hitters. I literally see him walking through Floyd with no problems - seriously. :)
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
You wanna talk about crazy - saying a boxer is OLD when he is 29 is RIDICULOUS on most accounts. You must be talking the talk of back in the 50's to say that. Most fighters are a shitload better at 30 than 20 because of gained experience and knowledge. Barrera & Morales was the guys to beat back then and anybody that knows boxing knows that. Sure they both had wars, but reaching so far to say they were not on their A-game, and worse yet, saying they were done is a JOKE. Barrera was on the best pound for pound list at the time. Prince Naseem was the talk of boxing back then and Barrera took him to school - that was 2 years before he fought Pac. In the prior year to fighting Pac, Barrera also beat Morales and Tapia. He didn't fight Rocky Jaurez until THREE years AFTER he fought Pac - not even an argument to bring up.

To keep using Marquez as some type of barometer as to what Floyd will be able to do is ludicrous. First and foremost, styles make fights - they are different fighters. Anybody knows that. Secondly, Pac was a one-handed fighter back then and his defense was lacking. Roach has turned him into a two-handed fighter and his D is much better. Comparing Pac as a fighter now to what he was back then in the Morales & Marquez days, or worse yet, when he was a flyweight is, well - a JOKE.

You apparently forgot that Pac fought Marquez at featherweight & super-featherweight before, because you didn't mention that not only Floyd will be bigger, but Pac also. Pac has proved he has brought the power with him in the heavier division with his ass whippings of Margarito, Cotto, Hatton, Shane, etc. He has lost no speed, and proved he can take big shots from the heavy hitters. I literally see him walking through Floyd with no problems - seriously. :)
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Wars and years time put a lot of miles on boxers man. How you havnt seen proof of that over the years is beyond me.

Havnt you heard the term "getting old overnight" it happens allll the time. Floyd has taken just about no punishment over his career and the biggest arguement people with boxing knowlege make is that floyd is getting too old to compete with pacman (hes 34 now)

And using marquez isnt close to ludicrous, hes a compitent counter puncher who has given Pacman tons of double over the course of 24 rounds. So making an arugment about what would happen if u put a bigger faster and stronger fighter in front of him isnt out of the question at all.

Also i dont mean bigger in general. Yes its very obvious they will be fighting at a heavier weight. Im talking about natural size. Floyd is and will always be naturally bigger then pacman, it doesnt matter if they step into the ring at the same weight. Pacs ability to take shots doesnt really matter floyds not out looking to KO anyone. If pac gets stopped its because he ran into something not because hes trying to stop him.

Floyd would use that same right hand to keep pac off balance the entire fight, just like he did to ortiz. ANd just like marquez did to him in both fights. If pac has no balance the speed and power dont matter cause hes gonna be chasing floyd down swinging wildly at the air.
 
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