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There's a few pros to say the least that were once great and now look like shit once they come off the juice and everything ... Do you think it's cause they stop training all together or it's just impossible to main a decent body without juice like I don't expect them to look in their primes but they look horrible... What are your thoughts on this? Do u think all the juice we pump into ourselves is just a waste at the end when we decide to go back to natural?
 
Combination of factors bro:

1 - They stop training with near the volume & intensity as they did when competing, hence loss of muscle

2 - Many will continue eating alot of cals since they have done so for so long, and gain bf since they are not doing the same amount of exercise to burn the cals

3 - Metab slows down with age, so pair that with #2 above

4 - They don't use AAS/GH/peptides anymore, or perhaps only trt dose, which obviously means loss of muscle

Many guys still look great even having been out of the game for many years/decades, ie, Dorian, Haney, Gaspari, DeMey, Arnie @ 69, Lou, Robby at 70+, etc. I think many fans find it hard to grasp that a guy that once was massive & freaky should still look like they workout forever. Why? They've moved on, and enjoying the next chapter in life. It's reality - it is what it is, and perfectly understandable.

Regarding your last statement, one can maintain a great physique via hard work & sound nutrition - no drugs needed. I myself came completely off in my stint overseas for almost 5 years and didn't miss a beat. Sure I lost some size and strength duh, but maintained 235-240 lbs in lean condition and still looked better than most guys that are on (not bragging, just being real to convey the point). Many guys when off don't push themselves hard in the gym - I've always gave it 110% being on or off. Takes hard work - you gotta really want it.
 
They just let themselves go, they replace training with TV and supps with potato chips.
 
Age is a huge factor, if you consistently lower your training intensity below what you are capable of performing.
 
I think Hank is great example of what you can do without aas. The dude looks like a mutated freak yet has only done maybe two cycles in the last decade or so. His avatar show a muscle maturity and way, way above average leanest into his mid forties now.
Hank, you're welcome for the verbal hand job.
 
Yeh I know hanks the perfect example but who knows if he's the acception to the rule .... But I think you guys r right if I keep training hard il maintain a decent looking body but if I ever stop it will all turn to shit
 
bufbiker said:
I think Hank is great example of what you can do without aas. The dude looks like a mutated freak yet has only done maybe two cycles in the last decade or so. His avatar show a muscle maturity and way, way above average leanest into his mid forties now.
Hank, you're welcome for the verbal hand job.
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Thanks Buf - just tryin' to hang with you brutha haha, although I'll never be even close to your league in the strength dept. Rock on!
 
Joe0690 said:
Yeh I know hanks the perfect example but who knows if he's the acception to the rule .... But I think you guys r right if I keep training hard il maintain a decent looking body but if I ever stop it will all turn to shit
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Joe sounds like you may be thinking that old cliche that many in the public think that "if you ever stop training, it all turns to fat". Muscle can NOT turn to fat, just like an apple can't turn into a steak - 2 separate entities. What happens is what we spoke of earlier - when you just stop training altogether, of COURSE the muscles will atrophy. Then, add on top of it like LI said - you start eating like shit on top of that, and BOOM, your muscles are smaller, AND you add a layer of fat, hence the false premise & illusion that "the muscle all turned to fat.". If one stops training altogether long term, then they will have to adjust their diet accordingly since they aren't going to be burning all those cals as they did previously when training. And actually, most guys that have been training for many years/decades have it in their blood, and are NOT likely to just stop training altogether. Take guys like myself, or LI, or Buf, or VJ, etc - been in this game forever, and will probably be pumping iron to our grave (God willing that is). When you've been doing it so long, it becomes a lifestyle.
 
I lost 60lbs in 3 months when I got sick. Gained it all back as fat cuz I ate like I use to WITHOUT exercise. Activity level and diet are key after you're 30. Genetics don't hurt either. Lol
 
Dawgpound_Hank said:
That's incredible! The guy STILL has that amazing shredded serratus/intercostal development and those crazy hams to boot. Both unseen for a guy his age. Much respect to Robby & thanks for posting that vid G.
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The guy is amazing.
 
Robbie was a freak in the early 70's and still a freak in his early 70's. A great scientific study for long term steroid use.
 
I saw an interview with him once. He as on deca and said he turned grey and felt like hell. He has Thalasemia, which is like Sickle Cell anemia. The disiease effects the red cells so probably because AAS make the body produce more red cells this caused a problem. He's probably a carrier so only has one of the genes and one normal one. That's not terribly uncommon in the African and Mediterranean populations. So bottom line is he had to cut his dose in 1/2. He also trains with lighter weight and does the whole feel the muscle and make the weight work for you kind of training. He has a bunch of training videos out that he did with Rick Drasin. I know it's popular to think otherwise but the guys from the 70s didn't abuse to the level that they do today and the life style for those few elite guys was probably pretty damn healthy. Lots and lots of training, swimming, beaching, running in the sand, diet mostly of meats and vegetables and water and low carbs most of the week. And AAS they cycled on and off for the most part. Plus they competed only a couple times a year. Way way different now.
 
Amazing, robbie looks crazy good. I googled bodybuilders then and now last night and was amazed at what I saw. I can definitely attest to the losing the gains part but some don't even look like they ever worked out lol!
 
I remember reading an article on Robby in Muscle Builder & Power magazine (now Muscle & Fitness) back in the late 70's. He was talking about training and how it's so important to focus the mind to go beyond the burn taking the set to the limit. In doing so, he spoke of how he was used to pain, and told a story of when he was in Vietnam. He said his platoon got ambushed, and almost everyone in it was killed. He said he was shot, and his only chance at survival was to play dead. As he lay there, the Vietnamese went around stabbing each guy laying on the ground in his platoon with a bayonet to make sure they were indeed dead. He said when they got to him, they stabbed him in the quad, and he had to remain silent & still. He said that was the hardest thing he ever had to do in his life, and after enduring that, that training was easy in comparison. Imagine, eh?
 
That's a crazy story .... It's amazing the things people have been through and how it can it can be related to the rest of their lives and change them for the better
Dawgpound_Hank said:
I remember reading an article on Robby in Muscle Builder & Power magazine (now Muscle & Fitness) back in the late 70's. He was talking about training and how it's so important to focus the mind to go beyond the burn taking the set to the limit. In doing so, he spoke of how he was used to pain, and told a story of when he was in Vietnam. He said his platoon got ambushed, and almost everyone in it was killed. He said he was shot, and his only chance at survival was to play dead. As he lay there, the Vietnamese went around stabbing each guy laying on the ground in his platoon with a bayonet to make sure they were indeed dead. He said when they got to him, they stabbed him in the quad, and he had to remain silent & still. He said that was the hardest thing he ever had to do in his life, and after enduring that, that training was easy in comparison. Imagine, eh?
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Dawgpound_Hank said:
I remember reading an article on Robby in Muscle Builder & Power magazine (now Muscle & Fitness) back in the late 70's. He was talking about training and how it's so important to focus the mind to go beyond the burn taking the set to the limit. In doing so, he spoke of how he was used to pain, and told a story of when he was in Vietnam. He said his platoon got ambushed, and almost everyone in it was killed. He said he was shot, and his only chance at survival was to play dead. As he lay there, the Vietnamese went around stabbing each guy laying on the ground in his platoon with a bayonet to make sure they were indeed dead. He said when they got to him, they stabbed him in the quad, and he had to remain silent & still. He said that was the hardest thing he ever had to do in his life, and after enduring that, that training was easy in comparison. Imagine, eh?
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Dang thats a crazy as story man!! :sulk:
 
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